radar detectors

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by sherpa, Nov 18, 2002.

  1. sherpa

    sherpa ...Robert

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    I got my first speeding ticket yesterday...68 in a 55 zone, gonna cost me $112. I was on route 20 a few miles south of the intersection with route 3 heading towards Orange, Va. The roads over there are straight as hell, and the local sheriff got me from far away coming towards me, before I could even tell it was a marked car... I was just cruising along, day dreaming. So I am thinking about radar detectors...first question is what is the penalty for getting caught with one in a state where they are illegal (VA.). Second , a friend told me that the newest radar guns get a reading on you about the same time as your detector goes off, is this true? Third , anybody got a slick hidden installation they care to show us? Fourth , how do you hear and or see the detector going off? I've seen that little LED thing you can install in your helmet...but I'd rather avoid the wire hook up to the helmet every time I get on and off the bike. I am just thinking...
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  2. Humungus

    Humungus no it doesn't

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    So do you blokes have the laser radar over there....copper once said to me "its like putting a telescope on a rifle" They can get us here with them at anything up to 1000 meters away.
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  3. MountainMan

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    I got popped for damn near the same thing last Friday. Rt. 612 just west of Staunton. 69 in a 55.. Course I talked my way outa it.. :evil

    I run an Escort Passport 8500 and never even seen a state boy blink at me on the interstate or backroads in my cage. I can pick up Ka and K at well over a mile. You don't have to worry about laser in the Valley, yet! Working on a stealth mount for the V-Strom, probably run it to an extra LED set-up on the dash panel..

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    fish Banned

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  5. Brainfry

    Brainfry Can't put a price on fun!

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    I second the fish... go with the V1. And keep
    it in sight for it to work best. Believe me, I've
    looked into every stealth option available.

    As for the LED set up... it's the H.A.R.D. system.... available from legalspeeding.com or
    from cyclegadgets. I have one... it's wireless, not wired, and works GREAT!!!!

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  6. MountainMan

    MountainMan accelerating

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    Figures you would..
    Overpriced, and side by side to my 8500, guess which one went off first... :evil

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  7. mleir

    mleir Evil Doer

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    You can get a earphone thingy for the V1, not sure about any others. Also yes, radar guns will hit you as fast as your detector goes off. If they "instant on" you, your toast. You listening to the airwaves for over spray from the officer shooting another car or bike. Laser sucks. It has very little over spray and is tough to get a read on. The only saving grace is its real expensive for cops to run and it has to be in a stationary postition, unlike radar.
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  8. sherpa

    sherpa ...Robert

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    I didn't know about this instant on radar until I read about it on the Valentine web site. I also checked out that wireless H.A.R.D. system...seems pretty good...but where to hide the Valentine so it looks forward and rearward , yet is hidden from view? Good to know that lasers have to be stationary. Hey MountainMan, care to share what BS you used to baffle the officer:huh
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  9. Brainfry

    Brainfry Can't put a price on fun!

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    I've searched the archives for info on various
    mounting locations for the V1, and I keep
    coming back full circle. There's simply NO way
    to hide it completely and still utilize all of its
    functions properly. Laser has to have a "line of sight" in order to work effectively. Radar does
    not and can virtually "see" through the human
    body and plastic (though I've heard the signal
    can be weakened when aimed through our various "liquids"...) But I digress. If you don't
    care much about Laser, then I've seen people
    mount the V1 on the beak, and inside tankbags
    and hardcases.... very stealth, but is it worth
    losing effectiveness?... I think not.

    Let the damn thing hang footloose and fancy free, let it breathe baby, let it breath... mount
    it to the mirror stalk with a Saeng mount and
    it's off to the races...

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  10. MountainMan

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    You obviously don't live somewhere where there illegal..

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  11. Rev Kiecker

    Rev Kiecker Been here awhile

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    BULLOCKS!!

    Take a look at airplanes. They receive radar through their nose cones all day long with no loss of effectiveness. I've ran a V1 inside my tank bag for years with no effect. You can ask mleir to the effectiveness of riding behind me in WI. I remember seeing him stand up on his 748 and bow after the L.E.O. passed us. He's since runs a V1.
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  12. sherpa

    sherpa ...Robert

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    If this applies to the Valentine...your saying you could mount it inside the BMW plastic hardcase with no loss off effectiveness. This would be ideal. I think I will e-mail Valentine and see what they say. I guess your keeping your "best story to get out of a speeding ticket" to yourself MountainMan...:):
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  13. MountainMan

    MountainMan accelerating

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    Sherpa, check your Private Messages..
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  14. davidpetersen

    davidpetersen BestRest Adventurer

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    Laser detectors are almost worthless because by the time the detector receives a signal, you're toast. :(:

    To defeat laser, you need to take active countermeasures. A laser diffuser (anti-signal-transmitter) is legal. Lasers are regulated by the Food & Drug Admin, and so far there's no prohibition in sending out signals which confuse or otherwise defeat the laser. Altho I've not had personal experience, one of my riding buddies swears by them and has anecdotal evidence that they really work. Here's where he got his system:

    http://www.k40.com/K40Radar/LaserDefuser.htm

    The FCC regulates radar devices and specifically prohibits radar jammers, so running one of them is ...ahem... problematic.
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  15. Brainfry

    Brainfry Can't put a price on fun!

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    Radar can see through plastic (as stated).
    Laser can NOT.
    Bullocks right back at ya'
    pal.



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  16. sherpa

    sherpa ...Robert

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    The guy at Valentines is not taking any e-mail questions right now...it says he is swamped. I did cruise the site some more though and he states " any plastic windshield you can see through is probably okay to mount behind" That is useless for us here in VA. As for hiding it he states " and mounting behind any opaque object will ruin laser warning, of course." I would think a tankbag would classify as opaque,(impenetrable by light) but it mentions being okay to mount behind a fairing...so a little contradictory to me. Will require some more looking into, but right now I have to run.
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  17. MountainMan

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    I have never run accross any LEO's in Va running Laser..
    FWIW

    -MM
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  18. WIBO

    WIBO Will it buff out?

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    Gee, if you were on a straight and not doing anybody any harm why issue a ticket,eh??

    For info, over here, that same offence would only carry a £30 fine
    and we think we get it bad........I`ve even heard of riders getting a £30 ticket for being 25mph over the limit(our standard non motorway limit is 60mph) I know for a fact a bike cop here pulled my friend over after pulling a wheelie on a Ducati only to ask him why he did`nt keep it up for longer.......a delberate but controlled act not causing danger to anybody else ,but the rider (Must have been a biker off duty as well!)It just shows you that all a cop has to do is apply a bit of common sense........
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  19. PhilSpace

    PhilSpace The Ex-Gov

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    I have picked up K-band on the top of the mountain (with trees) 3.5 miles out east of Capon Bridge on Route 50 in WV - WV state boy running radar in the town next to the bridge in the valley - I swear by my Valentine. Similar success stories on 231 and RT 17 south of Fburg. This was with my older last generation V1.

    The other strong point is support. I upgraded my V1 last spring (the old one was three years old and grungy). The new one is smaller, more sensitive than the old one from the story above and does more for $150 less that the 8500. They mailed me the new onw and I sent the old one back in a box - can't beat that from a lifecycle standpoint - it brings the cost way down.
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  20. PhilSpace

    PhilSpace The Ex-Gov

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    My only bitch is water - I have to be careful, never burned one up, but it did take it a day to dry out before it started working again after a rain storm a couple years ago in PA. You would think that somebody would take the hint and make a waterproof one for bikers.
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