Rally Raid Products BMW G310R / G310GS

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  1. JMo (& piglet)

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    Thanks for your support and enthusiasm Cronedo!

    So often here on ADVrider, people think that more automatically means better - add an inch, and it would be twice as better with two etc. - but in reality, improving the all-round performance of a particular bike takes far more finesse.

    Even what on paper might appear to be a modest increase in [numerical] specification, in the real world actually yields a significant improvement - and fundamentally in the case of the CB range of products and now the 310GS development, it is more about making the most of available potential performance - by improving the quality and action of the exchanged components, while not compromising the excellent all-round ability and ownership experience the original manufacturer spent thousands of hours and millions of dollars developing for the mass market.

    I'm really looking forward to riding this new bike once John has got it dialled in. As I mentioned a few posts above - while personally I feel the CB500X is perfect for the kind of ADV riding I do out here in the US, the baby GS has the potential to offer similar all-rounder performance in an even more manageable package.

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  2. FredRydr

    FredRydr Danger: Keep Back 300 Ft.

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    Does Level 1 "standard length" mean it only has the same travel as OEM?
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  3. JMo (& piglet)

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    Hi FredRydr - yes, as with the CB500X range of suspension components: 'LEVEL 1' will refer to a direct replacement/standard-travel length product, for those people who want more adjustability and better ride quality, but do not want to raise the seat height at all.

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  4. ktmmitch

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    I love boxes of bits, nuts, bolts, finished parts.............and in a rack, even better !!!! just checking stock this morning of EVO2 fairing kits, plus 6 Honda CB500X Adventure kits, with Tractive suspension being boxed up for despatch.
    Our latest batch of wheels for the CB500X kits have returned from Bartubeless in Italy. These spoked wheels we manufacture are treated to a special sealant technique to transform them into tubeless wheels, and each wheel has a 4 year warranty.
    It is becoming more popular with our CB500X customers as an option, and all our new CRF1000L Africa Twin wheels will be made this way, plus the same option on the new BMW G310GS spoked wheel kits.

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  5. ktmmitch

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    The first set of spoked alloy wheels for our BMW G310GS were fitted with Anlas Capra X tyres today, they will really enhance the off-road capabilities of the small adventure bike from BMW, and we will hopefully be testing it soon, along with new Tractive suspension and other parts.

    http://www.anlas-tyres.co.uk/

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  6. FredRydr

    FredRydr Danger: Keep Back 300 Ft.

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    What are the weight comparisons for the OEM wheels and your wheels, front and rear?
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  7. ktmmitch

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    we will have to wait, our G310GS is in Holland with the team at Tractive Suspension for 10 days, so we cannot weigh the OEM wheels.
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  8. harry

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    will you be keeping spoked wheels with bart tubeless in stock from end of year?
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  9. ktmmitch

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    Yes, same as our CB500X kits, we will offer G310GS wheels in tubed or with Bartubeless option from stock
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  10. ktmmitch

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    Our BMW G310GS is on "holiday" with the Tractive Suspension team, being fitted up for shock & fork upgrades from our partners in the Nederlands.
    They have done an excellent job by managing to develop a new rear shock with piggy-back reservoir for hi-low speed compression adjustment, plus rebound damping adjustment at the top of the shock, meaning all adjusters are easily accesible.
    But the main benefit of running the shock "upside-down" is it means that we can offer the popular Remote Hydraulic Preload Adjuster, very popular with the KTM 690 Enduro & Honda CB500X owners when they order a Tractive shock from us.
    Customers can order the Tractive shock and specify the addition of the HPA and spring rate to suit their weight & luggage and this will be built for them before despatch by us.
    Next job is to look inside the upside-down forks and see what improvements can be done to compliment the new rear shock.
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  11. 2WheelTraveler

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    O.K. So far I see wheels, skid plate, rear suspension and most likely front suspension.
    Anything else in the works?
    When will we see G310 parts listed your website?
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  12. ktmmitch

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    Plenty more, Fat Bar Riser kit, Soft Luggage Aracks, Shorty Levers, Headlight Guard, HD Footrests, keep watching.
    Aiming for Feb production for website
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    nice work!
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    Have the guts been exposed on the 310 forks yet?
    Or did I miss that?
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  16. ktmmitch

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    I am travelling to Nederlands on Sunday to see the guys at Tractive Suspension, they have had the G310GS for a week now and completed both std length and extended length shocks, so we will be looking at the forks on Monday.
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  17. ThugTuga

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    How many cm/ inches does the riser will add, and will be any need to fiddle with the cables for slack?
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  18. ktmmitch

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    The OEM packers will be in increments of 12,5mm up to 25mm maximum, with new longer M10 screws.
    Our Fat Bar Riser Kit will raise the bars initially about 15mm, with the option to go an extra 15mm.
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    The G310GS has been at Tractive Suspension HQ in the Nederlands to get the final Level 1 & Extreme shocks fitted and tested before we commence production after New Year, and all went very well.
    The Level 1 shock will be OEM length, to maintain the seat height, but with a much stiffer spring (110Nm) to give the correct static sag, as the OEM "heavy-looking" spring was actually very light.
    It is a high-quality aluminium body, oil emulsion shock with separation piston, and 46mm piston and combined adjustable compression/rebound damping.
    It will also have the option for fitting the popular Tractive Remote Hydraulic Preload Adjuster, the same as the bigger GS models, to cope with extra luggage loads.
    We will also produce another Lo-height Level 1 shock with the additional function of an adjustable lowering bottom eye, and this gives up to 25mm lowering of the seat height for those that may find the bike a tad to tall.
    Unfortunately, it is not possible to have both PA & Length Adjustment together on the Level 1 shock, so it's a case of one or the other.
    The Level 2 Extreme shock has a Remote Reservoir, with Tractive's PDS anti-bottoming double-piston function, separate Hi/Low speed compression and rebound damping adjustment,larger oil capacity, and 15mm increased wheel travel with 25mm increase in seat height, for those riders that want better off-road performance and adjustability. We will probably supply this standard with a 120Nm spring to reflect the riders requirements more off-road.
    This will also have the Remote PA option, but not Length Adjustment.
    All shock will have a range of 4 spring weights that can be specified when ordering, and fitted before despatch.
    There is also over a 1,5Kg saving in weight with the Tractive L1 shock compared to the all-steel OEM version.

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    Whilst at Tractive, we decided to investigate the upside-down fork internals to see what could be done to improve the "soft" feel of the front end, in order to compliment the new Tractive rear shock options we will have soon.
    It became apparent to the Tractive guys that although the fixed compression & rebound damping was not too bad, the spring was woefully inadequate on weight, and length, plus the air chamber gap was much too large, having virtually no effect when it was on their dyno.
    So, after much discussion, we have decided to offer a Level 1 fork kit, and a Level 2 Extreme kit(which will be plus 25mm stroke to match the Extreme shock).
    Both kits will have new, longer linear wound fork springs(in order to remove the OEM steel spacer tube) and new Fork Caps, with integral preload adjustment and air bleeders.
    The extreme kit will have modified caps to gain an extra 25mm stroke, and increase the ride height to match the Extreme shock.
    In both kits we will enclose several varying thicknesses of plastic preload washers so that the initial static sag can be set correctly before using up any of the preload in the caps adjustment.
    Once we have the new parts in mid January we will be able to test ride the bike and ascertain a correct air gap for optimum fork performance.
    It is proposed that the Level 1 fork and shocks can be sold seperately, but the Extreme fork and shock must be purchased as a pair, in order to balance the geometry of the bike.
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