Rally-Raid Products Honda CB500X

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    CB500X Adventure - FAQs and thread index


    This is the official Vendor thread for the Rally-Raid Products 'Adventure' kit and associated accessories for the Honda CB500X.​

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    As we enter our fourth year of production of the Honda CB500X 'Adventure' kit, this initial development thread that morphed into a vendor thread is now as much an owners (and prospective owners) community thread - together with the #1 place on the web to ask technical and product specific questions.

    We are also aware this thread is now quite the monster - well over 3/4 of a million views and 5800+ individual posts (as of 19/02/18) - currently the largest 'single-product' vendor thread on the ADVrider forum - so appreciate that navigating to find a specific answer can initially appear quite daunting...

    Therefore in our effort to continue to improve and enhance our on-line customer service, once again I have taken the opportunity to revise and update the original FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) section pertaining to the production kit/s and associated parts and accessories; and have included them in full below in this initial post - together with some key links to posts made during the development, to help you navigate the rest of the thread.


    CB500X Adventure FAQs

    (revised 1st January 2018)​



    Please note: These FAQs pertain specifically to the current Production Specification Rally-Raid Products CB500X ‘Adventure’ kit, and associated parts and accessories for the Honda CB500X, (plus CB500F and CBR500R where appropriate).


    1. I understand there are different ‘Levels’ of kit available, can you explain the key differences to me in simple terms?

    For 2018 onwards, we have simplified our range of wheel and suspension upgrades for the CB500X: There are now two core upgrade options available: LEVEL 1, and LEVEL 2.

    In a nutshell, LEVEL 1 maintains the original length suspension travel and corresponding standard seat height. There is also the option of fitting direct replacement heavy-duty spoked wheels in both 17” diameter front and rear sizes.

    LEVEL 2 is our +2 inch (50mm) longer-travel suspension kit - a comprehensive reworking of the original suspension components, which in turn also allows you to fit our dedicated spoked wheel kit that features a larger diameter 19” front wheel together with our 17” rear wheel.


    please note. while the standard dimension front and rear LEVEL 1 suspension components are available and can be fitted separately (as desired and/or finances allow), the LEVEL 2 longer-travel suspension components have to be sold/fitted as a complete kit.

    Similarly, while the LEVEL 1 17/17” spoked wheels can always be fitted independently of any suspension modifications, the LEVEL 2 19/17” wheel kit can only be fitted once our LEVEL 2 suspension has been fitted.



    2) So can you describe the two ‘LEVEL’ options in more detail?

    L1 Suspension

    LEVEL 1 upgrades the standard travel suspension with higher quality and adjustable components front and rear. This is the ideal option for those who do not wish to raise the seat height at all. These components are also suitable upgrades for the CB500F and CBR500R models.

    The LEVEL 1 rear shock offers the same travel as the OEM shock, but offers far high-quality and adjustable damping (via a single combined adjuster wheel for rebound and compression); together with the option of fitting a hydraulic remote preload adjuster to easily compensate for different loads.

    The LEVEL 1 fork kit offers the same travel as the OEM fork components, but complete replaces the internal parts with our unique shim valves and dedicated damper rods, plus longer linear-wound springs, which eliminate the OEM plastic spacer inside the forks. note. In addition, our billet preload adjuster caps are available as a separate accessory for owners of the pre-2016 model bikes that do not come with fork preload adjusters as standard.


    L1 Wheels

    The LEVEL 1 wheels (pair) come in direct replacement 17/17” sizes both front and rear, and utilise the OEM brake discs, hardware, and cush-drive/sprocket assembly from your original wheels, and are fitted with OEM size wheel bearings and seals. note. Pre-2016 ABS models also utilise both OEM sensor rings; while 2016-onwards models do require our own replacement front sensor ring while retaining the OEM rear.

    In addition, the LEVEL 1 spoked wheels are now available in either standard tube-type or professionally converted Tubeless rim options, together with the choice of black or gold powder-coated rims.


    L2 Suspension

    LEVEL 2 increases the overall travel and ride-height by +2” (50mm) front and rear, which correspondingly offers far greater off-road performance, and is only suitable for the CB500X model.

    The LEVEL 2 rear shock is fully adjustable - offering individual controls for rebound plus high&low speed compression damping - together with a remote reservoir for increased oil capacity. As with our LEVEL 1 shock, there is also the option of fitting a hydraulic remote preload adjuster to more easily compensate for different loads and conditions.

    The LEVEL 2 fork components are similar to the LEVEL 1 specification, but with an increase in travel to match the longer rear shock; while the complete kit also includes revised geometry rear-suspension linkage components, a billet top triple-clamp and a longer side-stand.

    Because these matched components raise the bike equally front and rear, it is perfectly possible to retain your original cast aluminium wheels with our LEVEL 2 suspension kit fitted - typically appealing to those riders who spend the majority of their time on paved or mild unsurfaced roads, but would appreciate more ground clearance and an improvement in ride quality afforded by the longer travel and fully adjustable suspension.


    L2 Wheels

    However, the LEVEL 2 wheels complete what we consider is the ultimate specification for the CB500X to be used in an all-terrain ‘Adventure’ bike role. These are available as a package with our LEVEL 2 suspension, or as a second phase to anyone who has previously fitted our LEVEL 2 suspension to their machine.

    The LEVEL 2 heavy-duty spoked wheel kit retains our 17” diameter rear wheel, but comes with a larger diameter 19” front wheel together with a dedicated 19” front fender and associated mounting hardware. These wheel sizes mean there is a far wider range of all-terrain tread pattern tyres available; and in conjunction with our LEVEL 2 suspension kit, we consider the revised geometry and associated ground clearance is now optimised for the bike to be used in a more adventurous role.

    As with our LEVEL 1 wheel kit, the LEVEL 2 wheels are available both in standard tube-type or tubeless rims, and in either black or gold powder-coating. Similarly all the OEM brake and drive hardware is carried over, and they are equally suitable for both non-ABS and ABS models of all years.



    3) Can I purchase any of the suspension components separately, or do they have to be bought as a package?

    It is possible to buy the LEVEL 1 front fork or rear suspension components separately - as these do not affect the original geometry of the bike in any way.

    However, the longer-travel LEVEL 2 suspension components must be fitted as a matched pair and can only be sold as such - since it is also essential to fit the revised rear linkage components together with the billet top triple-clamp that are included as part of the +2” (50mm) long-travel suspension package.



    4) I love the look of the spoked wheels - can I just buy the wheels on their own?

    You can buy the pair of LEVEL 1 17/17” wheels independently of any suspension upgrades, but It is not physically possible to fit the 19” front wheel on the CB500X without also fitting our longer-travel LEVEL 2 suspension kit - which ensures clearance at full travel.



    5) My original cast wheels are tubeless - do you have that option for your spoked wheels?

    Yes, although our standard rim option means you do have to use inner tubes with our spoked wheels, (even inside tubeless tyres such as the continental TKC80) - we now offer both LEVEL 1 and LEVEL 2 wheel sets professionally converted by BARTubeless in Italy with a 4-year warranty, available from stock. You simply choose either the tube-type or tubeless product option when you order, then select your rim colour preference from the drop-down menu.

    Please note that not all colour/tube/tubeless options may always be available immediately from our warehouse stock, but all specific orders will be satisfied as quickly as possible.



    6) Ok, I’m ready to buy - I see you are based in the UK - how do I purchase the parts I want?

    Rally Raid Products have a comprehensive web-shop: www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk, that accepts International payment in a range of currencies, proportional to the default UK pound pricing.

    We use UPS for worldwide shipping, to most destinations using their 48 hour priority service. Typically all products in stock shipped to both Europe and the USA arrive within a week.


    7) Can I fit the suspension/full Adventure kit myself at home, or does it need professional installation?

    The kit/s have been designed to be DIY fit, and full step-by-step instructions are available on the Rally Raid Products website to read/download at the bottom of each respective product page.

    The kit/s have been specifically designed to be completely bolt-on, and there is no need to cut or weld anything to fit the upgraded components. Typical workshop tools - a metric socket set, wrenches and allen keys are really all that is required. Should you prefer a professional workshop to undertake the work on your behalf, then they too will appreciate the straightforward nature of the conversion.

    note. To safely fit the front and rear suspension components, you will need support the bike so that no weight is on either the swing-arm/front forks in turn. In that regard, we suggest you consider our tubular Engine Guard which cradles the engine, and fit that first of all - then you can support the complete weight of the bike on a scissor lift directly underneath the engine.

    In addition, while the vast majority of the installation is simple bolt-off bolt-on, you will be required to remove the fork internal components and replace them with the new Rally Raid parts. If you are not confident or familiar with such a procedure, we do recommend obtaining the assistance of an experienced and/or professional workshop mechanic for that element of the conversion.



    8) Can I still use a centre stand if I fit the longer-travel LEVEL 2 suspension?

    No. Unfortunately the standard length centre-stand is not long enough to lift the rear wheel off the ground once the +2” (50mm) suspension has been fitted. The LEVEL 2 suspension also requires a longer side-stand to replace the original (supplied as part of the complete LEVEL 2 suspension kit), and there is simply not enough space for both stands to stow correctly on the bike.



    9) OK, so how can I lift the rear wheel for chain maintenance for example?

    We realise it is useful to be able to lift the rear wheel off the ground for maintenance, but at the same time, consider a traditional centre-stand bulky, and unnecessary weight to carry around with you for the vast majority of the time - particularly on a bike that is intended to be used more frequently off-road.

    Instead we would suggest you consider a short removable prop-stand similar to those used by dual-sport riders - which typically locates under the swing-arm and is used in conjunction with the side stand to lift the rear wheel a few inches off the ground. The Endurostar Trail Stand or Bikemaster Lift-Stick are two popular choices.

    For workshop and home maintenance, we strongly recommend you invest in either a traditional paddock stand to lift the rear wheel (the universal type can be used with many other motorcycles too of course), or a simple scissor-lift that can be used to lift either wheel in conjunction with the Rally Raid tubular engine guard.



    10) My bike has ABS - do the Rally Raid spoked wheels still work with the ABS?

    Yes, they certainly do. In the UK and Europe the CB500X is only sold as an ABS equipped model, so it was essential that our replacement wheels would retain all the OEM ABS and braking components. They work equally well with the non-ABS bikes too of course.

    The only consideration is that from 2016-onwards, the OEM front ABS sensor ring changed shape. Rally Raid subsequently sell a direct replacement front sensor ring for owners of the later models.



    11) I see that some manufactures offer ‘switchable’ ABS these days, is that something I can have too?

    Yes. Again, the UK/EU bikes all come with ABS as standard, and while we feel it is an excellent system both on-road and off, there may be an occasion (traditionally in very technical off-road terrain for example) that you absolutely don’t want the ABS to cut in.

    We offer a simple ABS bypass switch that complete disengages the front and rear ABS, allowing the bike to behave in exactly the same way as the non-ABS version (which is sold in the United States for example) does. When the ABS is disengaged, a dash warning light is illuminated to remind you. You can also switch between ABS on and ABS off on-the-fly as you ride along.



    12) How much taller is the bike once the long-travel LEVEL 2 suspension and 19/17” spoked wheels are fitted?

    We have measured our full LEVEL 2 bike (fitted with Continental TKC80 all-terrain tyres) at a little over 34" seat height (870mm). To compare, the standard seat hight on the OEM cast alloy wheels and street-biased tyres is 31.9 inches (810mm).



    13) I’m rather short in the leg, what are my options to upgrade if I want to ride my bike off-road more seriously?

    We realise that the CB500X does appeal to shorter riders, which is why we felt it important to offer our high quality/adjustable suspension in standard travel/ride-height length for both front and rear.

    The LEVEL 1 suspension components will make the most of the original travel available, without raising the seat height at all - you just have to keep in mind that without raising the bike, your ground clearance is still limited.

    Therefore we would certainly recommend also fitting the tubular Engine Guard to protect the otherwise vulnerable sump; while our heavy-duty foot-pegs offer a far larger platform for when standing while riding off-road, and indeed improve general comfort when riding long distances too.

    Finally, the LEVEL 1 17/17" spoked wheel kit offers stronger and more resilient heavy-duty rally-bike specification wheels, which can accept the OEM size tyres or similar more all-terrain tread pattern alternatives.

    Whether you specify our 17/17" spoked wheels or chose to retain the OEM cast wheels, we recommend fitting the Continental TKC80 in 120/70 x 17” front and 150/70 x 17” rear sizes - which will make the bike feel significantly more sure-footed and capable off-road than the standard tyres.



    14) If I fit the LEVEL 2 (19/17”) wheels, can I swap between my OEM cast wheels for commuting during the week, then swap to the spoked wheels for off-road use?

    Yes, if you so wish - however, we have designed the Adventure kit to specifically improve and enhance the standard CB500X into more of an ‘all-road all-rounder’, without compromising its day-to-day usability at all.

    The full LEVEL 2 wheel and suspension package really ought to be considered a complete re-engineering of the original bike, making it comparable with other mid-size adventure bikes such as the BMW F700GS, Suzuki V-Strom XT or Kawasaki KLR650 for example - none of which you'd consider actually require changing the wheels every weekend I’m sure…

    However, retaining your OEM cast wheels does mean you essentially have a set of 'super-moto' wheels available now, and could always have those fitted with street tyres for more spirited on-road riding, and/or if you regularly commute and want to save your all-terrain tyres specifically for longer adventure rides. All you need to do is swap the OEM brake discs and cush-drive assembly back and forth between each set of wheels as desired.



    15) Do I need to change the gearing (my chain and sprockets) if I fit the LEVEL 2 spoked wheels?

    No. One of the main reasons we decided to retain the 17" rear wheel diameter is so that the final-drive gearing would remain the same, and that the speedometer (which is driven from the gearbox) also remains accurate. Of course there is nothing to stop you gearing up or down a few teeth to suit a personal preference, and do consider that depending on what brand/size/tread-pattern rear tyre you fit, the rear wheel may be slightly larger in diameter overall than standard - but we found that when using a 150/70 x 17 Continental TKC80 for example, there is no appreciable difference.



    16) I see the LEVEL 2 longer-travel suspension kit comes with new rear linkage parts and a replacement top triple-clamp too - why is that?

    The rear linkage components are essential to allow the much longer rear shock (+50mm travel) to physically fit on the bike, and to retain the original leverage ratio for the rear suspension.

    At the front, the LEVEL 2 components offer +30mm more travel over standard (so that both the front and rear suspension are now equal at 170mm travel), and as part of the geometry revisions, it was also essential to lower the top of fork legs by 20mm, which is achieved with our dedicated billet top triple-clamp.

    In addition, the top triple-clamp offers a choice of handlebar mounting position fore and aft when using the OEM handlebars, plus the option of choosing Fat-bar risers should you wish to fit stronger aluminium handlebars. It also incorporates dedicated mountings for an optional Scotts steering damper if desired.

    Also included in the LEVEL 2 package is a longer replacement side-stand so that the taller bike remains at the correct angle with the longer suspension fitted.



    17) I really don’t like the stock handlebars, but I understand their shape means the choice of alternatives is very limited - is there any alternative from Rally-Raid Products?

    Yes. Our billet top triple-clamp (standard with the LEVEL 2 suspension kit, and there is also a LEVEL 1 version available as an accessory) has a choice of bar riser options.

    You can specify the standard height bar risers to retain the (22mm) stock diameter bars, or select the high-rise Fat-bar option that is designed to accept 28mm tapered bars - mounting them correspondingly higher so that a wider selection of traditional MX/Enduro bars can now be fitted to the bike.

    Our Fat-bar risers have been specifically designed to mount the Renthal 'RC High' bend (84mm rise) bars, as we feel these offer the combination of rise and sweep for off-road riding (and indeed are a very popular choice with rally riders), and fit with the OEM cables, hoses and switchgear wiring without modification.



    18) The LEVEL 2 wheel kit comes with a replacement front fender - why is that necessary, and why a low fender?

    The street-style OEM front fender is designed to fit closely around a 17" tyre, and there simply isn't enough clearance for the 19" spoked wheel to fit. The LEVEL 2 wheel kit comes with a dedicated replacement 19" front fender (and new mounting hardware), that properly follows the profile of the new wheel, and offers improved mud-clearance.

    Unfortunately, because of the brake-hose routing, it is not possible to fit a high fender successfully on the ABS equipped bikes; but we also feel that the low rally-style fender compliments the bikes styling, and also offers better protection to the front of the engine and radiator too.



    19) I have a CB500F model - can I fit the longer-travel LEVEL 2 suspension to my bike too?

    Technically no. While the rear shock, linkage and the fork internal dimensions are exactly the same between models, the CB500F headlight is mounted directly to the triple clamp, which is different to the replacement version we manufacture for the LEVEL 2 kit for the CB500X.

    We consider that CB500F customers would be more than adequately served by fitting our standard travel length LEVEL 1 upgraded suspension, perhaps in combination with the LEVEL 1 17/17” spoked wheels should they desire more of a ‘Scrambler’ style conversion.

    rev. JMo 1/1/18

    - - -
    Ride reports and videos:

    ADVrider ride-reports:

    Trans-Am 500 (crossing the USA and the complete Trans-America Trail (TAT) - 2015)

    CBXpo ride (Oregon to Arizona and back again - 2016)

    Northern eXposure (Canada and the Rockies - 2017)


    NEW! Current LEVEL 1 and LEVEL 2 kit options explained, and suspension set-up 101:





    John’s Aussie Adventure video (full length)



    follow Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV on YouTube for more CB500X videos.



    CBXpo ride video



    ADVrider ride-report here: CBXpo Ride (May 2016)



    Hints and tips for your CB500X Adventure (LEVEL 3) build




    Centre-stand alternative for CB500X with Rally Raid engine guard and/or LEVEL 2 suspension fitted:



    follow Blancolirio on YouTube for more CB500X videos.



    Rubicon Trail video



    ADVrider ride-report here: CB500X on the Rubicon Trail - the story behind the video



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    Previous thread introduction (March 2015):

    This thread originally started back in September 2014, when some of KTMmitch's posts were trimmed from the main CB500X thread and condensed here - forcing us to concentrate our feedback and development programme in a dedicated thread - which fortunately most people on the main CB500X thread are now aware of...

    With the bike making it's public debut tomorrow in London at the annual Ace Cafe Overland Day one-day event - albeit still in pre-production form (photo below from last weekend) - we have effectively wrapped up our initial development during these past six months and will now be concentrating on production, together with our future developments and new introductions.

    So below is a list of links to what we consider are/were the key points in the development process - that help to explain the concept of the bike, together with the reasons why our development has led to the ultimate specification we have chosen. I've also tried to select posts that have photos to illustrate the various aspects - after all we all love photos!

    On the whole I have included both our initial posts/plans from early on, together with more recent updates as we got closer to finalising the production spec - obviously the later posts are the more defining answer, but we feel it important (as a summary of the development) to show the process we went through to reach this stage.

    One key question being asked now that production is imminent is "how can we buy it?" - and in that regard it is worth noting here that everything will be available to order online directly from the Rally Raid Products UK web-shop, with worldwide shipping though UPS.

    In the meantime, please feel free to continue asking any specific questions in relation to a particular post... and it would be helpful if you could also include the original post number too (bottom right of each individual post - now the forum has been updated).

    Hopefully the links below will help make navigation of what is rapidly becoming a monster of thread more simple for future reference...

    Thank you again for all your support in this project!

    Jenny & John.


    edit. photo added 8th April 2015

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    photo. Rally Raid Products' original pre-production CB-X 500 Adventure test bike 15th March 2015 - this bike was subsequently sold, and the new owner rode it from the UK to South Africa.


    FAQ. with links to key posts during development:

    • Initial summary of the project (24th Sept 2014) post #19 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25139862&postcount=19


    • revision on 23rd Dec 2014 post #213 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25769668&postcount=213

    #229 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25872347&postcount=229

    #276 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26009220&postcount=276

    #296 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26099235&postcount=296


    • summary as of 14th Feb 2015 post #331- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26154929&postcount=331


    • wheel size development and clearance issues post #30 - #32 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25152139&postcount=30

    #39 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25175850&postcount=39

    #59 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25246732&postcount=59

    #176 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25748754&postcount=176

    #224 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25841631&postcount=224

    #300 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26099805&postcount=300


    • realistic suspension (travel) expectations post #35 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25161925&postcount=35

    #160 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25728232&postcount=160

    #168 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25735162&postcount=168

    #226 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25846360&postcount=226


    • why a 18/21" wheel combo and USD forks is technically & financially unrealistic post #45 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25180209&postcount=45

    #217 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25772706&postcount=217

    #444 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26288942&postcount=444


    • why we have chosen the [recommended] tyres sizes we have... post #86 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25395797&postcount=86

    #244 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25929376&postcount=244

    #354 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26174793&postcount=354

    #358 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26175676&postcount=358


    • will my speedo reading be affected by the new wheels? post #99 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25416786&postcount=99


    • what about a high-level exhaust option? post #101 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25422431&postcount=101


    • what will the weight difference between the standard and Adventure kit be? post #118 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25513173&postcount=118


    • centre stand issues, and our alternative post #121 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25517582&postcount=121

    #125 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25532494&postcount=125

    #223 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25841441&postcount=223

    #272 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26007073&postcount=272

    #411 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26238658&postcount=411

    #459 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26300071&postcount=459


    • incorporating hard luggage, such as a top box #131 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25554048&postcount=131

    #372 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26224933&postcount=372

    #377 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26227019&postcount=377

    #521 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26378099&postcount=521


    • off-road ability of the bike (see also the testing & evaluation section below) - #136 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25614852&postcount=136

    #511 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26361809&postcount=511


    • is it worth tuning the engine? post #157 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25721094&postcount=157

    #162 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25728355&postcount=162


    • 21st December 2014: Initial test mule testing & evaluation post #190 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25756535&postcount=190

    #196 - #199 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25761273&postcount=196

    #205 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25763256&postcount=205

    #237 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25907320&postcount=237

    #378 (24th Feb 2015) - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26227126&postcount=378


    • 15th March 2015: final shake-down road-testing pre-production post #508 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26361563&postcount=508

    #510 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26361763&postcount=510

    #517 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26369998&postcount=517


    • Adventure engine guard development post #211 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25768480&postcount=211

    #446 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26289171&postcount=446

    #453 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26290249&postcount=453

    #473 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26341082&postcount=473

    #490 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26350785&postcount=490

    #495 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26351149&postcount=495


    • final 'Adventure' suspension development post#304 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26112005&postcount=304

    #306 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26112474&postcount=306

    #315 & 317 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26132401&postcount=315

    #320 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26132933&postcount=320


    • will I be able to fit the Adventure wheels and suspension myself, in a home garage/workshop? post #318 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26132486&postcount=317

    #398 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26233571&postcount=398

    and in more detail, post #552 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26399177&postcount=552


    • integrated steering damper mount on Adventure top triple-clamp post #361 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26182193&postcount=361


    • summary of the CB-X 500 Adventure kit specification: (18th Feb 2015) post #365 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26182990&postcount=365

    #386 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26228943&postcount=386

    #400 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26233878&postcount=400

    and as of (15th March 2015) post #509 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26361683&postcount=509


    • what about a high front fender option? post #383 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26228413&postcount=383


    • comparison between RRP CB-X 500 Adventure and Yamaha XT660Z Tenere post #531 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26384340&postcount=531


    • Will the CB500X Adventure wheels and suspension also fit on the Honda NC700X / NC750X? post #713 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26540947&postcount=713

    Phew! - although I imagine that should help a lot!



    edit. useful links - added 7th March 2016:

    • Comparison between 2013-15 models and 2016 model: post #2557 http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...s-honda-cb500x.1012021/page-128#post-28873884


    • Building the 2016 'Heritage' LEVEL 3 UK demo bike: post #2558 http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...s-honda-cb500x.1012021/page-128#post-28875077


    NEW! • Suspension set-up and spring rate choices 101 (March 2018)



    Original post from 22nd September 2014:

    The prototype wheels for our Motoden Honda CB500X arrived today from Talon Engineering, and it took just a couple of hours to fit them in, using new machined spacers to suit the billet hubs.
    The front is a 19" rim, and the rear an 18", but we will probably use a 17" as standard so as to keep the seat height reasonable.
    This will allow a wider choice of trail rubbber for those wishing to take this bike on the trails.
    The next step is to production cnc machine the special rear hub so that can be used with the OEM rear cush drive
    The tyres fitted are a bit narrow for the rims, but it was all we had today, but will fit wider rubber later.
    Note that we have retained the OEM discs and ABS sensor rings.

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  2. Dave1899

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    Wow those look fantastic :clap
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    :eek2

    Man that rear tire is SUPER skinny though. Funny to see. This is looking great! Definitely interested to see what the 17/19 setup looks like.
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    Awesome! Those look great. Do you have a ballpark idea of the possible availability date?
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    i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
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    AWESOME!

    You've just moved the 500X into the #1 spot for a replacement for my recently wrecked GS
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  7. aai

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    thanks Mitch!
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    Any idea if they would also fit the NC700x?
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  9. Dave1899

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    Quote:
    <table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by ktmmitch [​IMG]
    i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
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    Mitch, will your bash plate fit with a Honda OEM center stand?
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  10. ktmmitch

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    yes
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  11. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

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    If I might answer on his behalf - KTMmitch and I talked about this only yesterday!

    Yes is the short answer [edit. Ha, as John has just replied above!] - the idea is produce a range of parts that are certainly compatible with the current Honda OEM accessories - and quite possibly the vast majority of aftermarket alternative parts such as centre stands and luggage racks that owners have already fitted...

    Certainly we are aware that there are a large number of existing owners who have already started to modify their bikes, and we don't want potential customers having to abandon accessories they have already purchased and fitted if they don't have to...

    However, at the same time, we trust that potential customers would also agree that we wouldn't want to compromise on our own designs if it is fundamentally compromised to try and fit it around other manufacturers accessories (either aftermarket or OEM)?

    That said, the initial product line (as KTMmitch describes above) will essentially be unique to RRP in any case - that is the 'Adventure' conversion using bespoke wheels and suspension... and as the catalogue of parts and accessories expands, we will ensure that any modifications are both reversible, and that they integrate seamlessly with each other; and wherever feasible also utilise as many of the OEM parts as possible - not just to keep the initial costs down, but so that spares, servicing and any warranty issues are kept as simple as possible.

    In addition, where we do also produce our own version of accessories already commercially available (such as skid plate/s, luggage racks and exhausts for example), we will of course endeavour to improve upon any existing designs - and trust that once the full catalogue of Rally Raid Products for the CB500X is available, potential purchasers will consider it a one-stop-shop for the definitive range of accessories for this bike, in much the same way that their extensive range of parts for the KTM 690 has developed.

    Jx
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    Thanks guys. I will patiently await the CB500X bash plate and other compatible accessories you come up with.:clap
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    Peg relocation kit for tall riders.. Forward and down 1.5 inches.. 2 if possible. Taller suspension should help with this.
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    Yes, nearly the same exact wheel/tire fitment measurements.
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    Wow, those are all the things I was thinking I would like on my bike when I was riding over 15 miles of dirt the other day...wheels, suspension and engine protection. Can't wait to see the finished product.
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    Yes, as KTMmitch explains above, the tyres in the photos are simply there to get the bike on it's [prototype] wheels - we imagine most people will want to fit similar sizes to the BMW GS range - so a 110/19 front and 150/17 rear for example, much the same as the Thai bike on the left here:

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    So the production rim widths will be optimised for those sizes...

    In general 18" rear tyres tend to be narrower, either 130 or 140 width - although the Michelin Desert 140 is a big chunky thing for sure!

    However, out of interest, I see that Continental do make an 18 inch rear TKC80 in 150/18 size (typically fitted to the KTM 950/990) if you specifically wanted an 18" wheel but wanted to retain the fat look.

    http://www.conti-online.com/www/motorcycle_de_en/themes/motorcycletires/enduro/tkc_80_en.html

    It also seems they do a 170/17 rear and a 120/19 front too - boy, that would look like a beach cruiser!

    Jx
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    Good stuff Mitch and Jen, keep it up. :clap
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    Looking awesome!!!
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  19. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

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    Since the posts above have been moved here from the main CB500X thread, I thought I would recap the outline of the project, so that any visitors who have stumbled upon this thread are up to speed:

    In summary, Rally Raid Products will be producing an 'Adventure' kit for the CB500X, to make the bike a little more dirt-worthy and all-road capable.

    I'm sure you appreciate it will not be a hard-core off-road/rally bike like their bikes built around a KTM 690 Enduro, and indeed while they realise anything is possible with enough time and money as the Thai bikes have proved (below)...

    [​IMG]

    ...realistically, the vast majority of owners are not going to want a 4+ inch increase in seat height, never mind the associated [high] costs of a completely new front end, much longer shock, and re-routed exhaust?

    That said, they haven't ruled out a 'full-fat' 18/21 inch and USD fork combo completely as an evolution, it's just it won't happen initially, and not unless there is a genuine and significant demand...

    Stage 1 Adventure kit
    Instead the 'Adventure' kit will hopefully address a few of the shortcomings with the standard bike, especially when it's used away from the highway.

    The replacement wheel-set is key to the conversion - using a 17" rear rim (the prototype in the photos at the beginning of this thread is an 18" rim as KTMmitch also wanted to check clearance should an 18/21 inch version be produced), together with a 19" front wheel - both of which will utilise the existing disc rotors, and ABS ring where applicable, and the rear OEM cush-drive assembly - keeping the cost of changing to a minimum, and ensuring dealer parts compatibility.

    This wheel-set has been designed to typically accept the tyre combo you might find on a BMW GSA for example - that is a 110/80 x 19 front and 150/70 x 17 rear, although other combinations are available of course, and optional rim sizes likely to be available to special order.

    Typically coupled with this will be a stage one suspension upgrade which will include a slightly longer (only +1 inch) rear shock, together with a remote preload adjuster - something that a number of riders are going to appreciate, particularly those who might travel solo during the week, then load up with camping gear or a passenger at the weekends.

    We intend to match the rear replacement shock with fork inserts that allow a degree of adjustability - at this stage it is not known whether any meaningful increase in front travel will be attained, it very much depends on the current fork leg overlap. Again, the key to keeping this 'stage one' conversion cost effective is to retain the existing fork legs, and just improve the internals - otherwise you are looking at an alternative wheel, new brakes, ABS (if that were even compatible), never mind the cost of replacement forks and triple clamps.

    In addition, the combination of a 19" front wheel and a +1 inch rear travel increase will keep the bike level, and fundamentally not increase the seat height significantly, which we feel is a key attribute to this bike suiting so many riders?

    That is the basic mechanics of the project so far - effectively improving the quality (and adjustability) of the stock suspension, increasing the ground clearance slightly, and fitting a stronger and more dirt-worthy wheel-set that will accept a wider range of dual-sport tyres.

    Optional accessories and other upgrade parts
    Of course Rally Raid will also be producing a complete range of accessories and optional upgrade parts: including a full length skid-plate, and mid/high level and much lighter-weight exhaust silencer, high front fender conversion, and a new nose/screen/fairing assembly that will more closely replicate the HRC Honda Dakar bikes - and this will also have the benefit in providing optional/upgraded and auxiliary lighting protected by the screen itself. There is also likely to be a luggage rack and other ancillary parts (footpegs, levers, foot controls etc.) available.

    Fundamentally though, the idea is that the catalogue of parts will work together or separately as the owner desires - for example, you might just want a high fender conversion to use with your stock 17 tyres, and a luggage rack? Or you might want an improved screen and lighting because you do a lot of highway riding at night, and fancy a Dakar inspired graphics kit to go with it too of course ;o) Or just the suspension upgrade might be appropriate if you never take the bike on the dirt but regularly load up at weekends for example.

    Indeed, it would be perfectly feasible to just fit a wheel-set if you wanted (although we envisage most people would combine that with the suspension upgrade, and probably a skid-plate too), together with a simple bracket set to raise the stock front fender sufficiently.

    Please feel free to ask any specific questions about specification and the development here - it is now a Vendors thread after all ;o)

    Jx
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    Any idea of the costs for this sort of conversion? Would it be similar to what they've got for other bikes?

    Rough ballpark ideas are fine!
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