Rally-Raid Products Honda CB500X

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  1. ktmmitch

    ktmmitch Long timer

    Sep 29, 2009

    CB500X Adventure - FAQs and thread index

    This is the official Vendor thread for the Rally-Raid Products 'Adventure' kit and associated accessories for the Honda CB500X.​

    photo. 2014 model fitted with LEVEL 2 suspension, gold rim spoked wheel kit and Heritage graphics.

    photo. 2019 model fitted with LEVEL 2 suspension, gold rim spoked wheel kit and soft-luggage side and rear racks.

    As we enter our fifth year of production of the Honda CB500X 'Adventure' kit, this initial development thread that morphed into a vendor thread is now as much an owners (and prospective owners) community thread - together with the #1 place on the web to ask technical and product specific questions.

    It also coincides with Honda's own series of more significant upgrades to the CB500X model for the 2019 model year - fundamentally longer travel suspension and a 19" front wheel as standard.

    Therefore in our effort to continue to improve and enhance our online customer service, once again I have taken the opportunity to revise and update the original FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) section pertaining to the production kit/s and associated parts and accessories; and have included them in full below in this initial post - together with some key links to posts made during the development, to help you navigate the rest of the thread.

    CB500X Adventure FAQs

    (revised 7th May 2019)​

    Please note: These FAQs pertain specifically to the current Production Specification Rally-Raid Products CB500X ‘Adventure’ kit, and associated parts and accessories for the Honda CB500X, (plus those parts compatible with the CB500F and CBR500R models where appropriate).

    With the introduction of some key specification changes for the 2019 model year CB500X (primarily longer travel standard suspension and a 19” front wheel), our FAQs have been revised to reflect the new components that are specific to the 2019-onwards model, together with those which continue to be applicable to the existing 2013-18 model year range.

    Broadly speaking, the specification of the Rally-Raid suspension upgrades remain the same - offering two ‘LEVEL’ kits - one which retains the standard travel (the same as OEM/stock for that model year), and a longer travel version which also offers more comprehensive damping adjustment.

    Wherever possible, existing parts and accessories have been redesigned to remain common across all model years - although any product/component that has specific model-year applications (such as the exhaust shield for the Adventure Engine Guard) will now have a choice from a drop-down menu on the corresponding page on the Rally-Raid Products web-shop.

    1) I understand there are different ‘Levels’ of kit available, can you explain the key differences to me in simple terms?

    We have simplified our range of wheel and suspension upgrades for the CB500X: There are now two core upgrade options available: LEVEL 1, and LEVEL 2.

    In a nutshell, LEVEL 1 suspension maintains the original length suspension travel and corresponding standard seat height.

    LEVEL 2 is our longer-travel suspension kit - which offers 170mm of travel (and a corresponding increase in ground clearance and seat height) both front and rear for all model years.

    please note. while the standard dimension front and rear LEVEL 1 suspension components are available and can be fitted separately (as desired and/or finances allow), the LEVEL 2 longer-travel suspension components have to be sold/fitted together as a complete kit.

    In addition to the suspension upgrades, the Rally-Raid heavy-duty spoked wheel kit comes with a 17” rear wheel and 19” front wheel. For the 2019-on model, these wheels are now a direct replacement whether or not you have chosen to also upgrade the suspension. For the 2013-18 model bikes [with a 17” front wheel as standard], you have to fit the longer travel LEVEL 2 suspension first to allow enough clearance for the larger 19” front wheel.

    2) So what is this ‘LEVEL 3’ I still read about online and see in adverts for second-hand bikes?

    ‘LEVEL 3’ was the way we originally referred to the LEVEL 2 suspension and the 17/19” wheel kit when fitted together… you still can order exactly the same parts, it’s just called “LEVEL 2 suspension, and the Spoked Wheel Kit” now we’ve simplified our range of options - and that in the case of the 2019 model, the wheels and suspension can now be fitted independently of one another of course.

    3) I see, so can you describe the two ‘LEVEL’ suspension options in more detail?

    L1 Suspension

    LEVEL 1 upgrades the standard travel suspension with higher quality and adjustable components front and rear. This is the ideal option for those who do not wish to raise the seat height at all. These components are also suitable upgrades for the CB500F and CBR500R models.

    The aluminium body LEVEL 1 rear shock offers the same travel as the OEM shock, but offers far high-quality and adjustable damping (via a single combined adjuster wheel for rebound and compression); together with the option of fitting a hydraulic remote preload adjuster to easily compensate for different loads.

    The LEVEL 1 fork kit offers the same travel as the OEM fork components, but complete replaces the internal parts with our unique shim-valves and dedicated damper rods, plus longer linear-wound springs, which eliminate the OEM plastic spacer inside the forks.

    L2 Suspension

    LEVEL 2 increases the overall travel and ride-height to 170mm front and rear, which correspondingly offers far greater off-road performance, and is only suitable for the CB500X model.

    note. on the shorter-travel 2013-18 model bikes, our overall LEVEL 2 increase is equal to +50mm, while on the 2019-on models it is +20mm over the standard ride/seat height.

    The LEVEL 2 rear shock is fully adjustable - offering individual controls for rebound plus high&low speed compression damping - together with a remote reservoir for increased oil capacity. As with our LEVEL 1 shock, there is also the option of fitting a hydraulic remote preload adjuster to more easily compensate for different loads and conditions.

    The LEVEL 2 fork components are similar to the LEVEL 1 specification, but with an increase in travel to match the longer rear shock; while the comprehensive kit for the 2013-18 bikes also includes revised geometry rear-suspension linkage components, a billet top triple-clamp and a longer side-stand.

    note. the LEVEL 2 kit for the 2019 model is actually far more simple to fit, as Honda have already included a revised top-triple clamp and bar risers, and a longer side-stand as part of the standard specification.

    Rally-Raid CB500X Suspension specification summary:

    2013-18 model

    LEVEL 1 suspension: 140mm front travel, 120mm rear travel (as per OEM) - adjustable shock damping as standard/optional hydraulic preload adjuster. Fork kit adds shim-valving and replacement damper rods and longer linear springs. Seat height 810mm (as per OEM).

    LEVEL 2 suspension: 170mm front and rear travel (+30mm and +50mm respectively over standard) - fully adjustable reservoir shock with individual high & low compression and rebound damping adjusters. Optional hydraulic preload adjuster. Seat height 870mm (with TKC80 tyres).

    2019-on model

    LEVEL 1 suspension: 150mm front and rear travel (as per OEM) - adjustable shock damping as standard/optional hydraulic preload adjuster. Fork kit adds shim-valving and replacement damper rods and longer linear springs. Seat height 830mm (as per OEM).

    LEVEL 2 suspension: 170mm front and rear travel (+20mm over standard) - fully adjustable reservoir shock with individual high & low compression and rebound damping adjusters. Optional hydraulic preload adjuster. Seat height 860mm (with TKC80 tyres).

    LOW suspension option: Lowering kit for the 2019 model reducing the travel/seat hight by -20mm (ie. seat-hight reduced to 810mm - the same as the previous generation model) - suitable for fitting with either the standard OEM or LEVEL 1 upgraded suspension.

    4) What about the [wire] spoked wheels?

    The Rally-Raid heavy-duty spoked wheel kit (pair).

    The Rally-Raid heavy-duty spoked wheel kit comes with 17” x 3.50 rear and a 19” x 2.50 front size aluminium rims, hand-built on our unique in-house designed and machined billet aluminium hubs. Our hubs have been specifically designed to accept all your existing OEM brake discs, ABS sensor rings and the sprocket/cush-drive assembly from the original bike - making the swap both simple and more affordable. It also means that any spare/replacement bearings and seals are common Honda OEM parts.

    These wheels are designed to fit both the ABS and non-ABS models alike.

    With the introduction of the 2019 model with a 19” front wheel as standard, we have taken this opportunity to re-design our front hub so that our spoked wheels are the same across all model years - you simply select which model year you have and will be supplied with the correct front disc mounting hardware (and dedicated stainless steel ABS ring for the 2016-18 models).

    Our wheels are available either tube-type or with the BARTubeless tubeless conversion factory-installed (including their 4-year warranty), and there is a choice of either black or gold powder-coated rims at no additional cost.

    please note. our 17/19” spoked wheels can only be fitted to earlier 2013-18 models once the LEVEL 2 suspension kit has also been installed.

    Should you wish to fit our 17/19” wheels to a 2013-18 model LEVEL 2 bike, there is also a dedicated 19” front fender kit available separately to complete the conversion.

    please note. previously we also offered an alternative 17/17” ‘LEVEL 1' wheel kit for those owners of 2013-18 bikes. However, going forward these LEVEL 1 wheels are now a discontinued product.

    5) Can I purchase any of the suspension components separately, or do they have to be bought as a package?

    It is certainly possible to buy the LEVEL 1 front fork kit or rear shock separately if you desire - as these do not affect the original geometry of the bike in any way.

    However, the longer-travel LEVEL 2 suspension components must be fitted as a matched pair and can only be sold as a complete package.

    6) I love the look of the spoked wheels - can I just buy the wheels on their own?

    If you have a 2019-on model CB500X, yes of course - they are a direct swap with your existing cast aluminium wheels, using all the existing hardware.

    However, if you have a previous generation 2013-18 model CB500X, you do need to fit our LEVEL 2 suspension kit first, as that provides the necessary clearance for the 19” front wheel.

    7) My original cast wheels are tubeless - do you have that option for your spoked wheels?

    Yes, although our standard spoked wheel kit is designed to use inner tubes (even inside tubeless tyres such as the continental TKC80) - the rims themselves have the necessary safety bead which allows us to also offer them professionally converted by BARTubeless in Italy (complete with a 4-year warranty), and usually available from stock.

    You simply choose either the tube-type or tubeless product option/part number when you order, then select your rim colour preference from the drop-down menu.

    Please note that not all colour/tube/tubeless options may always be available immediately from our warehouse stock, but all specific orders will be satisfied as quickly as possible.

    8) Ok, I’m ready to buy - I see you are based in the UK - how do I purchase the parts I want?

    Rally Raid Products have a comprehensive web-shop: www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk, that accepts International payment in a range of currencies, proportional to the default UK pound pricing.

    We use UPS for worldwide shipping, to most destinations using their 48 hour priority service. Typically all products in stock shipped to both Europe and the USA arrive within a week.

    9) Can I fit the suspension/full Adventure kit myself at home, or does it need professional installation?

    The kit/s have been designed to be DIY fit, and full step-by-step instructions are available on the Rally Raid Products website to read/download at the bottom of each respective product page.

    The kit/s have been specifically designed to be completely bolt-on, and there is no need to cut or weld anything to fit the upgraded components. Typical workshop tools - a metric socket set, wrenches and allen keys are really all that is required. Should you prefer a professional workshop to undertake the work on your behalf, then they too will appreciate the straightforward nature of the conversion.

    note. To safely fit the front and rear suspension components, you will need support the bike so that no weight is on either the swing-arm/front forks in turn. In that regard, we suggest you consider our tubular Engine Guard which cradles the engine, and fit that first of all - then you can support the complete weight of the bike on a scissor lift directly underneath the engine.

    In addition, while the vast majority of the installation is simple bolt-off bolt-on, you will be required to remove the fork internal components and replace them with the new Rally Raid parts. Although it is a relatively straight-forward, if you are not confident or familiar with such a procedure, we do recommend obtaining the assistance of an experienced and/or professional workshop mechanic for that element of the conversion.

    10) Can I still use a centre stand if I fit the longer-travel LEVEL 2 suspension?

    No. Unfortunately the standard length centre-stand is not long enough to lift the rear wheel off the ground once the longer travel suspension has been fitted.

    11) Ok, so how can I lift the rear wheel for chain maintenance for example?

    We realise it is useful to be able to lift the rear wheel off the ground for chain maintenance and puncture repair, but at the same time, we consider a traditional centre-stand bulky, and unnecessary weight to carry around with you for the vast majority of the time - particularly on a bike that is intended to be used more frequently off-road.

    Instead we would suggest you consider a short removable prop-stand similar to those used by dual-sport riders - which typically locates under the swing-arm or right-hand side footrest, and is used in conjunction with the side stand to lift the rear wheel a few inches off the ground. The Endurostar Trail Stand or Bikemaster Lift-Stick are two popular choices.

    For workshop and home maintenance, we strongly recommend you invest in either a traditional paddock stand to lift the rear wheel (the universal type can be used with many other motorcycles too of course), or a simple scissor-lift that can be used to lift either wheel in conjunction with the Rally Raid tubular engine guard.

    12) My bike has ABS - do the Rally Raid spoked wheels still work with the ABS?

    Yes, they certainly do. In the UK and Europe the CB500X is only sold as an ABS equipped model, so it was essential that our replacement wheels would retain all the OEM ABS and braking components. They work equally well with the non-ABS bikes too of course.

    The only consideration is that from 2016-onwards, the OEM front ABS sensor ring changed shape. Rally Raid subsequently sell a direct replacement front sensor ring for owners of the 2016-18 models.

    For the 2019-on model, Honda have completely revised the design of their front ABS ring, and this is a direct fit to the latest Rally-Raid spoked wheel hubs.

    13) I see that some manufactures offer ‘switchable’ ABS these days, is that something I can have too?

    Yes, albeit currently only for the 2013-18 models (see note below).

    The UK/EU bikes all come with ABS as standard, and while we feel it is an excellent system both on-road and off, there may be an occasion (traditionally in very technical off-road terrain for example) that you absolutely don’t want the ABS to cut in.

    For the 2013-18 models, we offer a simple ABS bypass switch that complete disengages the front and rear ABS, allowing the bike to behave in exactly the same way as the non-ABS version (which is sold in the United States for example) does. When the ABS is disengaged, a dash warning light is illuminated to remind you. You can also switch between ABS on and ABS off on-the-fly as you ride along.

    note. Unfortunately, the revisions to the electronics Honda have made to the 2019-on models precludes this simple ABS bypass from being fitted. However, rest assured that over the many years of ongoing development riding we have embarked upon with this bike, we have always found the factory ABS very reassuring both on and off-road - and certainly far more reliable than those early systems from other manufacturers which prompted the requirement to fit a bypass switch in the first place.

    14) How much taller is the bike once the long-travel LEVEL 2 suspension and 19/17” spoked wheels are fitted?

    We have measured our 2013-18 model LEVEL 2 bike (fitted with Continental TKC80 all-terrain tyres) at a little over 34" seat height (870mm). To compare, the standard seat hight on the OEM cast alloy wheels and street-biased tyres is 31.9 inches (810mm).

    The 2019 model CB500X has an 830mm seat height as standard, and this increases to 860mm with the LEVEL 2 suspension and TKC80 tyres fitted. note. This is due to the 2019 model having a slightly reshaped/lower seat - the travel remains the same at 170mm front and rear on both 2013-18 and 2019-on LEVEL 2 bikes.

    15) I’m rather short in the leg, what are my options to upgrade if I want to ride my bike off-road more seriously?

    We realise that the CB500X has always appealed to shorter riders, which is why we felt it important to offer our high quality/adjustable suspension in standard travel/ride-height length for both front and rear.

    The LEVEL 1 suspension components will make the most of the original travel available, without raising the seat height at all - you just have to keep in mind that without raising the bike, your ground clearance is still limited.

    Therefore we would certainly recommend also fitting the tubular Engine Guard to protect the otherwise vulnerable sump; while our heavy-duty foot-pegs offer a far larger platform for when standing while riding off-road, and indeed improve general comfort when riding long distances too.

    NEW for the 2019 model - LOW option.

    In addition, while the 2019-on model with the 19” front wheel as standard does have a +20mm taller seat than the previous 2013-18 generation, Honda’s revisions to the rear suspension linkage means we can now offer a lowering kit for the latest model, that essentially drops the seat height by 20mm back down to the previous generation seat-height (810mm) while retaining the stock 19” front wheel.

    16) If I fit the spoked wheels, can I swap between my OEM cast wheels for commuting during the week, then swap to the spoked wheels for off-road use?

    Yes, if you so wish - however, we have designed the Adventure kit to specifically improve and enhance the standard CB500X into more of an ‘all-road all-rounder’, without compromising its day-to-day usability at all.

    However - and on the 2019 model particularly - we can certainly appreciate it might help to conserve your more all-terrain tread pattern tyres fitted to the spoked wheels, by using your original cast wheel and tyre combination for more mundane journeys. It’s a simple job to swap wheels and tyres over, although we suggest you consider purchasing a second set of brake discs/ABS rings for your second pair of wheels to make that process even more straight-forward.

    Similarly if you have a previous generation 2013-18 model bike with LEVEL 2 suspension, there is nothing to stop you fitting the original 17/17” cast wheels if you wish - the fork angle will just be approximately 1° steeper (ie. the same as it was originally) compared to with the 19” front wheel fitted.

    17) Do I need to change the gearing (my chain and sprockets) if I fit the LEVEL 2 spoked wheels?

    No. One of the main reasons we decided to retain the 17" rear wheel diameter is so that the final-drive gearing would remain the same, and that the speedometer (which is driven from the gearbox) also remains accurate. Of course there is nothing to stop you gearing up or down a few teeth to suit a personal preference, and do consider that depending on what brand/size/tread-pattern rear tyre you fit, the rear wheel may be slightly larger in diameter overall than standard - but we found that when using a 150/70 x 17 Continental TKC80 for example, there is no appreciable difference.

    18) I see the LEVEL 2 longer-travel suspension kit [for the 2013-18 models] comes with new rear linkage parts and a replacement top triple-clamp too - why is that?

    The rear linkage components are essential to allow the much longer rear shock (+50mm travel) to physically fit on the bike, and to retain the original leverage ratio for the rear suspension.

    At the front, the LEVEL 2 components offer +30mm more travel over standard (so that both the front and rear suspension are now equal at 170mm travel), and as part of the geometry revisions, it was also essential to lower the top of fork legs by 20mm, which is achieved with our dedicated billet top triple-clamp.

    In addition, the billet top triple-clamp offers a choice of handlebar mounting position fore and aft when using the OEM handlebars, plus the option of choosing Fat-bar risers should you wish to fit stronger aluminium handlebars. It also incorporates dedicated mountings for an optional Scotts steering damper if desired.

    Also included in the LEVEL 2 package is a longer replacement side-stand so that the taller bike remains at the correct angle with the longer suspension fitted.

    19) So why is the 2019-on model LEVEL 2 suspension kit different?

    Primarily because Honda have done a lot of what we had to do originally themselves now, so that they too could fit a 19” front wheel onto the existing CB500X chassis.

    The 2019-on model comes with a revised top-triple clamp, and more conventional handlebars with taller risers too. It also has slightly longer travel suspension, which required a longer side stand to be fitted as standard.

    What this means is that the LEVEL 2 kit for the latest model is far more simple and quicker to fit. There is no need to remove the top triple-clamp and relocate the ignition barrel in the replacement for example, while access at the rear shock and the revised linkage design also makes that element slightly more straightforward too.

    20) I really don’t like the stock handlebars on the 2013-18 model, but I understand their shape means the choice of alternatives is very limited - is there any alternative from Rally-Raid Products?

    Yes. Our billet top triple-clamp (standard with the LEVEL 2 suspension kit) has a choice of bar riser options.

    You can specify the standard height bar risers to retain the (22mm) stock diameter bars, or select the high-rise Fat-bar option that is designed to accept 28mm tapered bars - mounting them correspondingly higher so that a wider selection of traditional MX/Enduro bars can now be fitted to the bike.

    Our Fat-bar risers have been specifically designed to mount the Renthal 'RC High' bend (84mm rise) bars, as we feel these offer the combination of rise and sweep for off-road riding (and indeed are a very popular choice with rally riders), and fit with the OEM cables, hoses and switchgear wiring without modification.

    21) Do you offer a high front-fender option for the CB500X?

    No. Unfortunately, because of the brake-hose routing, it is not possible to fit a high fender successfully on the ABS equipped bikes; and personally we also feel that the low rally-style fender compliments the bikes styling, works better aerodynamically at higher speeds, and also offers better protection to the front of the engine and radiator too.

    With both our own design 19" front fender [for the 2013-18 models] and the new OEM fender on the 2019 bikes, there has proven to be plenty of tyre clearance for all but the most muddy conditions. In those instances, it is very simple to remove the front fender and continue until the trail conditions improve.

    22) Can I fit the latest 2019 model cast wheels to an earlier [2013-18] bike, with your LEVEL 2 suspension fitted?

    No. While they might appear visually similar, the 2019 cast 19” front wheel is different dimensionally - including the spacers and the disc off-set - as is the front axle and fork lowers on the 2019 bikes. There is also the issue that the front disc is reduced in diameter (now 310mm vs the previous 320mm) which means the original brake calliper would not line up, and similarly the ABS ring is a complete different size, so the sensor would not line up (and we also suspect there would be different software programming in the ECU too in that regard).

    23) Can I fit the longer travel LEVEL 2 suspension to a earlier model CB500F too?

    Technically no. While the rear shock, linkage and the fork internal dimensions are exactly the same between models, the CB500F headlight is mounted directly to the triple clamp, which is different to the replacement version we manufacture for the LEVEL 2 kit for the CB500X.

    We consider that CB500F customers would be more than adequately served by fitting our standard travel length LEVEL 1 upgraded suspension, perhaps in combination with the [remaining stock] 17/17” spoked wheels should they desire more of a ‘Scrambler’ style conversion.


    rev. JMo 17/10/20
    - - -
    Ride reports and videos:

    ADVrider ride-reports:

    Trans-Am 500 (crossing the USA and the complete Trans-America Trail (TAT) - 2015)

    CBXpo ride (Oregon to Arizona and back again - 2016)

    Northern eXposure (Canada and the Rockies - 2017)

    NEW! Current LEVEL 1 and LEVEL 2 kit options explained, and suspension set-up 101:

    John’s Aussie Adventure video (full length)

    follow Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV on YouTube for more CB500X videos.

    CBXpo ride video

    ADVrider ride-report here: CBXpo Ride (May 2016)

    Hints and tips for your CB500X Adventure (LEVEL 3) build

    Centre-stand alternative for CB500X with Rally Raid engine guard and/or LEVEL 2 suspension fitted:

    follow Blancolirio on YouTube for more CB500X videos.

    Rubicon Trail video

    ADVrider ride-report here: CB500X on the Rubicon Trail - the story behind the video

    - - -​

    Previous thread introduction (March 2015):

    This thread originally started back in September 2014, when some of KTMmitch's posts were trimmed from the main CB500X thread and condensed here - forcing us to concentrate our feedback and development programme in a dedicated thread - which fortunately most people on the main CB500X thread are now aware of...

    With the bike making it's public debut tomorrow in London at the annual Ace Cafe Overland Day one-day event - albeit still in pre-production form (photo below from last weekend) - we have effectively wrapped up our initial development during these past six months and will now be concentrating on production, together with our future developments and new introductions.

    photo. Rally Raid Products' original pre-production CB-X 500 Adventure test bike 15th March 2015 - this bike was subsequently sold, and the new owner rode it from Ireland to South Africa... on his return, he sold the bike to a friend, who promptly turned round and rode it all the way back to Cape Town again!

    Links to key posts during development:

    • Initial summary of the project (24th Sept 2014) post #19 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25139862&postcount=19

    • wheel size development and clearance issues post #30 - #32 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25152139&postcount=30

    #39 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25175850&postcount=39

    #59 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25246732&postcount=59

    #176 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25748754&postcount=176

    #224 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25841631&postcount=224

    #300 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26099805&postcount=300

    • realistic suspension (travel) expectations post #35 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25161925&postcount=35

    #160 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25728232&postcount=160

    #168 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25735162&postcount=168

    #226 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25846360&postcount=226

    • why a 18/21" wheel combo and USD forks is technically & financially unrealistic post #45 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25180209&postcount=45

    #217 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25772706&postcount=217

    #444 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26288942&postcount=444

    • what about a high-level exhaust option? post #101 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25422431&postcount=101

    • what will the weight difference between the standard and Adventure kit be? post #118 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25513173&postcount=118

    • centre stand issues, and our alternative post #121 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25517582&postcount=121

    #125 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25532494&postcount=125

    #223 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25841441&postcount=223

    #272 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26007073&postcount=272

    #411 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26238658&postcount=411

    #459 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26300071&postcount=459

    • off-road ability of the bike (see also the testing & evaluation section below) - #136 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25614852&postcount=136

    #511 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26361809&postcount=511

    • is it worth tuning the engine? post #157 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25721094&postcount=157

    #162 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25728355&postcount=162

    • 21st December 2014: Initial test mule testing & evaluation post #190 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25756535&postcount=190

    #196 - #199 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25761273&postcount=196

    #205 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25763256&postcount=205

    #237 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=25907320&postcount=237

    #378 (24th Feb 2015) - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26227126&postcount=378

    • 15th March 2015: final shake-down road-testing pre-production post #508 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26361563&postcount=508

    #510 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26361763&postcount=510

    #517 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26369998&postcount=517

    • summary of the CB-X 500 Adventure kit specification: (18th Feb 2015) post #365 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26182990&postcount=365

    #386 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26228943&postcount=386

    #400 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26233878&postcount=400

    and as of (15th March 2015) post #509 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26361683&postcount=509

    • what about a high front fender option? post #383 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26228413&postcount=383

    • comparison between RRP CB-X 500 Adventure and Yamaha XT660Z Tenere post #531 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26384340&postcount=531

    • Will the CB500X Adventure wheels and suspension also fit on the Honda NC700X / NC750X? post #713 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26540947&postcount=713

    Phew! - although I imagine that should help a lot!

    Other useful reference links:

    • Comparison between 2013-15 models and 2016 model: post #2557 http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...s-honda-cb500x.1012021/page-128#post-28873884

    • Building the 2016 'Heritage' LEVEL 3 UK demo bike: post #2558 http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...s-honda-cb500x.1012021/page-128#post-28875077

    • Suspension set-up and spring rate choices 101 (March 2018): post #5838

    • Summary of CB500X model history - 2013 to date (April 2019): post #6659

    Original post from 22nd September 2014:

    The prototype wheels for our Motoden Honda CB500X arrived today from Talon Engineering, and it took just a couple of hours to fit them in, using new machined spacers to suit the billet hubs.
    The front is a 19" rim, and the rear an 18", but we will probably use a 17" as standard so as to keep the seat height reasonable.
    This will allow a wider choice of trail rubbber for those wishing to take this bike on the trails.
    The next step is to production cnc machine the special rear hub so that can be used with the OEM rear cush drive
    The tyres fitted are a bit narrow for the rims, but it was all we had today, but will fit wider rubber later.
    Note that we have retained the OEM discs and ABS sensor rings.

    photo. the original development bike in late 2014 - testing various wheel and suspension combinations.
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  2. Dave1899

    Dave1899 Been here awhile

    Aug 23, 2014
    Gainesville, FL
    Wow those look fantastic :clap
  3. Kray

    Kray Long timer

    Jul 13, 2013
    Knoxville, TN

    Man that rear tire is SUPER skinny though. Funny to see. This is looking great! Definitely interested to see what the 17/19 setup looks like.
  4. sparky831

    sparky831 Weekend Warrior

    Aug 31, 2014
    Mill City, Oregon
    Awesome! Those look great. Do you have a ballpark idea of the possible availability date?
  5. ktmmitch

    ktmmitch Long timer

    Sep 29, 2009
    i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
  6. JustKip

    JustKip Long timer

    Apr 28, 2007
    Fresno, CA

    You've just moved the 500X into the #1 spot for a replacement for my recently wrecked GS
  7. aai

    aai Adventurer

    Jun 15, 2014
    thanks Mitch!
  8. bamamate

    bamamate Been here awhile

    Jul 16, 2013
    Any idea if they would also fit the NC700x?
  9. Dave1899

    Dave1899 Been here awhile

    Aug 23, 2014
    Gainesville, FL
    <table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by ktmmitch [​IMG]
    i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
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    Mitch, will your bash plate fit with a Honda OEM center stand?
  10. ktmmitch

    ktmmitch Long timer

    Sep 29, 2009
  11. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

    Apr 1, 2007
    If I might answer on his behalf - KTMmitch and I talked about this only yesterday!

    Yes is the short answer [edit. Ha, as John has just replied above!] - the idea is produce a range of parts that are certainly compatible with the current Honda OEM accessories - and quite possibly the vast majority of aftermarket alternative parts such as centre stands and luggage racks that owners have already fitted...

    Certainly we are aware that there are a large number of existing owners who have already started to modify their bikes, and we don't want potential customers having to abandon accessories they have already purchased and fitted if they don't have to...

    However, at the same time, we trust that potential customers would also agree that we wouldn't want to compromise on our own designs if it is fundamentally compromised to try and fit it around other manufacturers accessories (either aftermarket or OEM)?

    That said, the initial product line (as KTMmitch describes above) will essentially be unique to RRP in any case - that is the 'Adventure' conversion using bespoke wheels and suspension... and as the catalogue of parts and accessories expands, we will ensure that any modifications are both reversible, and that they integrate seamlessly with each other; and wherever feasible also utilise as many of the OEM parts as possible - not just to keep the initial costs down, but so that spares, servicing and any warranty issues are kept as simple as possible.

    In addition, where we do also produce our own version of accessories already commercially available (such as skid plate/s, luggage racks and exhausts for example), we will of course endeavour to improve upon any existing designs - and trust that once the full catalogue of Rally Raid Products for the CB500X is available, potential purchasers will consider it a one-stop-shop for the definitive range of accessories for this bike, in much the same way that their extensive range of parts for the KTM 690 has developed.

  12. Dave1899

    Dave1899 Been here awhile

    Aug 23, 2014
    Gainesville, FL
    Thanks guys. I will patiently await the CB500X bash plate and other compatible accessories you come up with.:clap
  13. bhorocks

    bhorocks Been here awhile

    Jun 30, 2008
    Phoenix az
    Peg relocation kit for tall riders.. Forward and down 1.5 inches.. 2 if possible. Taller suspension should help with this.
  14. Kray

    Kray Long timer

    Jul 13, 2013
    Knoxville, TN
    Yes, nearly the same exact wheel/tire fitment measurements.
  15. sparky831

    sparky831 Weekend Warrior

    Aug 31, 2014
    Mill City, Oregon
    Wow, those are all the things I was thinking I would like on my bike when I was riding over 15 miles of dirt the other day...wheels, suspension and engine protection. Can't wait to see the finished product.
  16. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

    Apr 1, 2007
    Yes, as KTMmitch explains above, the tyres in the photos are simply there to get the bike on it's [prototype] wheels - we imagine most people will want to fit similar sizes to the BMW GS range - so a 110/19 front and 150/17 rear for example, much the same as the Thai bike on the left here:


    So the production rim widths will be optimised for those sizes...

    In general 18" rear tyres tend to be narrower, either 130 or 140 width - although the Michelin Desert 140 is a big chunky thing for sure!

    However, out of interest, I see that Continental do make an 18 inch rear TKC80 in 150/18 size (typically fitted to the KTM 950/990) if you specifically wanted an 18" wheel but wanted to retain the fat look.


    It also seems they do a 170/17 rear and a 120/19 front too - boy, that would look like a beach cruiser!

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  17. Cruz

    Cruz Lost but laughing.

    Nov 3, 2008
    Northside Brisbane, Qld Australia
    Good stuff Mitch and Jen, keep it up. :clap
  18. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

    Oct 18, 2005
    Looking awesome!!!
  19. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

    Apr 1, 2007
    Since the posts above have been moved here from the main CB500X thread, I thought I would recap the outline of the project, so that any visitors who have stumbled upon this thread are up to speed:

    In summary, Rally Raid Products will be producing an 'Adventure' kit for the CB500X, to make the bike a little more dirt-worthy and all-road capable.

    I'm sure you appreciate it will not be a hard-core off-road/rally bike like their bikes built around a KTM 690 Enduro, and indeed while they realise anything is possible with enough time and money as the Thai bikes have proved (below)...


    ...realistically, the vast majority of owners are not going to want a 4+ inch increase in seat height, never mind the associated [high] costs of a completely new front end, much longer shock, and re-routed exhaust?

    That said, they haven't ruled out a 'full-fat' 18/21 inch and USD fork combo completely as an evolution, it's just it won't happen initially, and not unless there is a genuine and significant demand...

    Stage 1 Adventure kit
    Instead the 'Adventure' kit will hopefully address a few of the shortcomings with the standard bike, especially when it's used away from the highway.

    The replacement wheel-set is key to the conversion - using a 17" rear rim (the prototype in the photos at the beginning of this thread is an 18" rim as KTMmitch also wanted to check clearance should an 18/21 inch version be produced), together with a 19" front wheel - both of which will utilise the existing disc rotors, and ABS ring where applicable, and the rear OEM cush-drive assembly - keeping the cost of changing to a minimum, and ensuring dealer parts compatibility.

    This wheel-set has been designed to typically accept the tyre combo you might find on a BMW GSA for example - that is a 110/80 x 19 front and 150/70 x 17 rear, although other combinations are available of course, and optional rim sizes likely to be available to special order.

    Typically coupled with this will be a stage one suspension upgrade which will include a slightly longer (only +1 inch) rear shock, together with a remote preload adjuster - something that a number of riders are going to appreciate, particularly those who might travel solo during the week, then load up with camping gear or a passenger at the weekends.

    We intend to match the rear replacement shock with fork inserts that allow a degree of adjustability - at this stage it is not known whether any meaningful increase in front travel will be attained, it very much depends on the current fork leg overlap. Again, the key to keeping this 'stage one' conversion cost effective is to retain the existing fork legs, and just improve the internals - otherwise you are looking at an alternative wheel, new brakes, ABS (if that were even compatible), never mind the cost of replacement forks and triple clamps.

    In addition, the combination of a 19" front wheel and a +1 inch rear travel increase will keep the bike level, and fundamentally not increase the seat height significantly, which we feel is a key attribute to this bike suiting so many riders?

    That is the basic mechanics of the project so far - effectively improving the quality (and adjustability) of the stock suspension, increasing the ground clearance slightly, and fitting a stronger and more dirt-worthy wheel-set that will accept a wider range of dual-sport tyres.

    Optional accessories and other upgrade parts
    Of course Rally Raid will also be producing a complete range of accessories and optional upgrade parts: including a full length skid-plate, and mid/high level and much lighter-weight exhaust silencer, high front fender conversion, and a new nose/screen/fairing assembly that will more closely replicate the HRC Honda Dakar bikes - and this will also have the benefit in providing optional/upgraded and auxiliary lighting protected by the screen itself. There is also likely to be a luggage rack and other ancillary parts (footpegs, levers, foot controls etc.) available.

    Fundamentally though, the idea is that the catalogue of parts will work together or separately as the owner desires - for example, you might just want a high fender conversion to use with your stock 17 tyres, and a luggage rack? Or you might want an improved screen and lighting because you do a lot of highway riding at night, and fancy a Dakar inspired graphics kit to go with it too of course ;o) Or just the suspension upgrade might be appropriate if you never take the bike on the dirt but regularly load up at weekends for example.

    Indeed, it would be perfectly feasible to just fit a wheel-set if you wanted (although we envisage most people would combine that with the suspension upgrade, and probably a skid-plate too), together with a simple bracket set to raise the stock front fender sufficiently.

    Please feel free to ask any specific questions about specification and the development here - it is now a Vendors thread after all ;o)

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  20. markinthailand

    markinthailand Long timer

    May 12, 2014
    Chiang Mai, Northern Thailand
    Any idea of the costs for this sort of conversion? Would it be similar to what they've got for other bikes?

    Rough ballpark ideas are fine!