REVIEW: Wings Superflow Ti Exhaust Pipe for KTM 640 Adv

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  1. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Greetings...

    Andrew saw fit to have me as a "tester" of this pipe prior to his vending of them (thanks Andrew:thumb)... Below are my comments and pictures of the unit, the install, etc.

    Of note is my current set up... It is (was) a Supertrapp IDS2 quiet core w/16 discs (yes I like it loud!). Prior to that I had a stock can.

    When the box arrived I was excited and it was most certainly warranted as I laid my eyes on this beauty!

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    Extremely nice piece with a high level of craftsmentship displayed (more on this to come!)

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    Wings was kind enough to color coordinate the badging for me as well :thumb

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    Now on to the install...

    First up is my current set-up...

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    If you look closely, I suspect you will find no two IDS2 installs exactly the same (see other threads by Creeper and Meat Popsicle)... I always had a feeling of "rig'd-ness" w/ the IDS2. Thus one of the reasons why it took me so long to get to this install, I kept putting it aside because I felt I did not have the time to tinker with it to get it installed "right".

    Boy was I wrong about that :eek1 This pipe was obviously MADE for this bike :clap Install was not only a breeze, but a please as everything just slid into place as if it was OEM :D

    Of note here is that after removing my IDS2 and hefting both pipes (no wise cracks ya jerks! :nono) in my hands, they seem to weigh the same :cry I was hoping for that storied Ti weight advantage. IMHO (without a scale avail) the Ti weighs about the same as the IDS2 set up.

    Now on to the instal and the parts...

    First was the pipe piece (way too clean, must go sully it :evil )

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    Slid right on and bolted right up :nod My springs are a tad loose, but I suspect they are loose from wear and it is not a fit issue. Soooo nice to install gear that is tailor made for your bike!!!!!!

    Next, I wrapped the strap around the can, slid the can onto the pipe - tightened a couple of bolts and presto!

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    I have skipped many of the install notes as Surly covered this very well in his review of the aluminum version. See it here http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79035&highlight=Wings Great job Surly :thumb

    Now to fire it up.... Frankly I was worried this pipe would not have enough "bark" for me, I like it loud :evil I was pleasantly surprised:thumb It was not as loud as my IDS2 setup, but it has a deeper rumble to it that I REALLY like. It also does not get "raspy" at the higher end of the RPM scale as my IDS2 did. All said, it is loud enough for me (not overly so IMHO, but what the hell do I know :dunno :lol3 ) but with the added bonus of a baritone rumble :thumb As for objective reviews, PASSMORE wife says, "huh? you put another pipe on?" so maybe there isn't much difference to an "untrained ear" :lol3

    I have only put 30 or so miles on it thus far. My seat of the pants eval is that exceleration and roll on power is smoother than what I had with the IDS2. I have not done any jetting (I was waiting for this pipe - I had significant popping on decel with the IDS2) and the popping has reduced IMO.

    Very, very, very nice pipe. I rate this as an exceptional product in both quality, performance (seat of the pants, no data yet...), and sound. IMHO, Akra has nothing over this pipe (sorry Boe!).

    More to come as the miles pile on!


    UPDATE - rode another 30 or 40 after posting this and it seems to have made my bike a tad less "buzzy", almost as if the vibrations have been reduced :dunno I am not claiming miracles or asking for the canonization of the Wings Ti, but there is something smoother now :scratch May be that the mounting is more secure, therfore less "rattling" or maybe it is a resonance issue... I am not sure, but I can definitely tell. When I commute I listen to tunes through earphones that really isolate a lot of the noise so I am more sensitive to the other elements of the bike (vibes), this is probably why I have noticed this difference. At any rate - I like it!

    ONE OTHER UPDATE - after fueling the beast yesterday and getting oooh's and ahhhh's from bystander's at the pump, I took off and "my scoot" reached out and grabbed the concrete pole and fell over on its side :huh Yes, it was a rare and graceful moment for me as I picked the beast up amongst the raucous laughter :vardy At any rate, I can attest to the Ti pipe's resistance to abrasion when flung at concrete :lol3
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  2. Surly

    Surly surly adventurer

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    Did you take that restrictor/arrestor dealie out or leave it in?

    That smooth Ti sure goes nice with the Rhino texture :wink:
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  3. AFekete

    AFekete Long timer

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    You guys ROCK! I really appreciate your candidness and honesty while doing this. I always maintain that if a product is crap, I won't carry it but these mufflers have exceeded my expectations.

    I certainly was very nervous and have held off many potential cutomers until these write-ups were in and the results were positive.

    I hope you both get many safe and happy miles out of the bikes and the mufflers and again I cannot thank you enough!

    So.... tomorrow I need to place my first order of WINGS KTM LC4 Mufflers!! I'm very excited to have another really great product in our line as we continue to grow.

    See on the road or in the dirt!
    Andrew
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  4. meat popsicle

    meat popsicle Ignostic

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    dat's purdy passmore. :D

    does it use mechanical baffles or require repacking? :ear
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  5. Surly

    Surly surly adventurer

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    Andrew said they said he said she said "no repacking"
    I couldnt tell if they were packed or perm

    If they need packing how long does that usually take between intervals?
    I have 3500 on mine already and it sounds fine still (aparantly you can hear me before you can see me without the restrictor)
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  6. ChrisC

    ChrisC Amal sex?

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    Hey Pass,

    Between the Bed-Liner, Ubermuffler, BooB tire, and Renazco brown-on-tan all suede superseat, you've now officially out-pimped Creeper. Congratulations! :wink:
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  7. meat popsicle

    meat popsicle Ignostic

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    The supercrapp IDS2 says ~5000 I believe. 5K is not much distance IMO so I am always interested in mechanicals. the Staintune is mechanical and not badly priced either. waiting for a price from Andrew, not that I can buy one in the near future! :lol3 dog am I broke... :D
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  8. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Since I took nothing out or modified it in any way I am assuming that I did not remove the restrictor/arrestor. If the arresstor is an integral part of the "restrictor" then I will be leaving it on. I live in an area with a lot of grass and it will be going dry quite soon... No firestarter for me:nono :lol3
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  9. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Thanks for the opprotunity to "test" it Andrew. now that it is on, I really like it :nod I rode in this morning and it just purrs... :thumb :thumb 2 thumbs up for this! Most knew I was scouting the landscape for a new pipe before this and I can definitively say that there is not another pipe currently on the market right now that I would prefer to have for this bike.


    I hear there is an IDS2 for sale when the dogs get done knawing on it... :poser

    Heeeerrrreee puppy, puppy, puppy....

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  10. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    :clap :rilla :clap

    oh.... not quite as pimp as Creep's, yo... Mine's not near as clean :nono I may never ascend to the throne of pimpness, 'cause everyone knows a pimp gots to have a clean ride :nod :lol3







    PS - brown :huh I thought it to be more of University of Texas orange :lol3 Hook 'em horns :super
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  11. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Hate to break it to ya... but that looks a LOT like brown to me too. :scratch

    Y'know, if Passy'd dump the rhinolined look and go with the pimped out glossy black like Creeper, he'd take the cake. The hole in the fairing is uber-pimp so IMO Creeper still gets the nod. :nod

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  12. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Fixed for ya Mike :lol3

    How's the 640?
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  13. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    More capable than I am at the moment... See my "how hot is too hot?" thead.

    Need to talk to Boejangles about a seat... He did warn me, but being the hardheaded SOB I am, I figured "nah, I've got the stock RT seat, I'll be FINE."

    Nope.

    My ass needs some "pimp-daddy seat" lovin!

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  14. Renazco

    Renazco Formerly AKA Boejangles

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    I thought this bike was just plain UNPIMPABLE :lol3

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    Untill you got that awesome exhaust from Andrew !! :thumb
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  15. dirtrider

    dirtrider Dusty Adventurer

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    That exhaust looks great!

    Muuuust resiiiiiiiist temptaaaaaation :tb
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  16. Loadedagain

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    i appreciate yer bike is loud... but... does it make any more power?

    what's the fucker cost?

    is there a complete exhaust, or is this just a can replacement?
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  17. creeper

    creeper Still alive...

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    Passy has more invested in his bedliner than I have in my $13 worth of black Krylon rattlecan job... so maybe he is a bigger blingboy than I. :evil

    Yep... I'm sure of it. :oscar
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    Surly surly adventurer

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    a. Not too loud and not load with the insert in there

    a. 350 alum and 400 Ti (I recall)
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  19. Loadedagain

    Loadedagain making chips

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    at that dough i could get an akro... i suppose time will tell, but do you figure it's a better part?
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  20. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Good question Colin... I am due to see Boejangles (possibly next week) so maybe then we can compare the Akra and the Wings side by side. I do know that you would likely appreciate the craftsmanship on the wings, my machinist buddy did...

    I do not have ready access to a dyno, but I would like to see what kind of hp, etc I am deveolping with this set up. When I get a chance, I am thinking of doing like Darin did and coat my headers/pipes up to the can (no, not with bedliner Creep :D ).

    To answer your other question, no - it is a can system only. To my knowledge there are no "full" systems available (Andrew, true?).

    Given my proclivity to loud, I still think that most would not find this pipe offensive, sound wise - just sounds "right".
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