Road king police edition

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Iranian, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. Iranian

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    Hi,

    Guys I am little bit confused when it comes to this add:

    https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/...searchId=cb9b5a1b-0f28-d602-9011-844b7e95abab

    First of all, how can it be that a brand new road king police is cheaper then a standard road king?

    As far as I know the difference between a police bike and a civilian bike is that the police version has air suspension and police saddle and hence should be more expensive then a standard one.

    My second question is regarding the speed gauge. Why does it only show up to 80 mph? Here in Europe road king are due to sound and environmental reasons limited to 180-190 km/h but that is approximately around 120 mph? In the add below you can see a civilian bike for the european market.

    https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/...searchId=173e1bbe-ef21-c47e-342e-26a6946f05a9

    Kind Regards from a curious Iranian.
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  2. saltspray

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    You’re looking at the tach. The speedometer is the top one.
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  3. luftkoph

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    220kmh = 136 mph
    As far as price I believe that the police model has no cruise and less chrome,
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  4. saltspray

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    Police model has cruise. Probably cheaper due to being less useful for the typical Road King customer (single seat etc).
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  5. Iranian

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    Thanks! I see now my mistake :-)! I thought it might be the case that these bikes where escort bikes or something like that.


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  6. Iranian

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    I have to say that they are darn good looking bikes but over here Harley is expensive as hell and it is not going to be cheaper they do to put the sanction in work. Then the price will bump up another step but I think US and Europe reached a deal on that issue.
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  7. Kevm

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    I picked up a brand new, leftover 2016 FHLP (Police RK) cheap about two years ago now for about $10k less than I would have paid for a new civilian model.

    The how/why is simple, the Moco gives deep discounts to their dealers at the annual dealer show if they order a bunch of them. Having them built and stocked at dealers around the country (world?) is a way they can fulfill a sudden government order (they pull them from various dealers till they have enough for the order).

    They're cheaper than the civilian models mostly based on margin, and maybe a little chrome/no badges/more simple paint scheme.

    To me they come with some things that more than make up for anything left off:

    * Tachometer and heads up Speedo
    * ABS/security/cruise
    * Air shock sprung seat with taller riding position.
    * Fixed rear luggage rack/tour pack mount
    * Less chrome and gaudy shit.


    What it was lacking compared to the civilian model:

    * Passenger seat
    * Passenger floorboards
    * Some chrome trim pieces

    It's a serious bargain. I'm glad I stumbled upon it. If I'd known I would have gone specifically looking for it. Screenshot_20181027-001748.jpeg
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  8. Iranian

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    The benefits of the police set up versus the standard is for me the saddle. I sit much more comfortable on a police bike and it also changes the leg angle. The down side is that I can't set both of my feets down on asphalt. I am 175 cm tall. It does not cause any big problem for me.

    Would it be possible to only mount on the police saddle on a standard road king? Would I still have another leg angle compared to the standard set up for a standard road king or do I need the air shocks that the police bikes have to achieve that? Would it be possible to add a backrest to it?

    I have tried to find some information online and seen that the police seat in it self does not need to be that bloody expensive. Right?
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  9. Kevm

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    Yeah I'm around 178 cm (5' 10") with about a 81 cm (32" inseam) and I cannot QUITE flat-foot it with booth feet from the saddle. I can touch both down in most cases, but have to come forward, just out of the saddle for flat.

    Now that said, the seat really needs to shock/spring to support it, but it IS adjustable for preload and there are tall rubber bumpers under the seat (maybe 25 cm tall). I bet you could remove a lot of the preload and maybe shave down the rubber bumpers to get the seat to sit much closer to the frame rail. That might be enough to make the police seat work for you. Of course at that point you could probably just get an aftermarket saddle that is comfortable and low enough (assuming that doesn't change the leg angle too much). And I don't see a way to add a rider backrest to the police seat. If you meant a backrest for the passenger then just mount a top box to the luggage rack (that's what I did, using a Hepco and Becker topcase).

    I can't say if there are shock differences in the current models. In 2016 both the civilian and police bikes used air shocks in the rear as well as that adjustable shock for the seat. (And if we're being truthful the shock for the seat helps too, but I think a decent pair of shocks in the rear would probably make it un-necessary if you weren't using the police seat anyway).

    Hmmm, I guess if you were changing rear shocks you could go for slightly lower but higher quality shocks and use the police seat as it was.

    Lots of options, which is usually true on a Harley.
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  10. Iranian

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    It seems that we are about the same size. I can't either quite flat foot it with both feet from the saddle. I have only been test seating the bike in a show room but from experience I am guessing that I will not have any problem to ride the bike.

    Since my accident in 2015 I have not had own a motorcycle but done plenty of test-driving. I have some pain that are related to motorcycle driving but not to the accident in it self. After extensive examination the conclusion was made that I am simply weak and need to train a lot so that I can become physically strong enough to be able to ride long distances. Know I am at a level that I probably very soon, most likely during the coming summer, can start driving again.

    Street bikes are out of the question for me and that leaves me with the choice between a scooter or cruiser. I prefer cruisers but I am not excluding scooters.

    When I was visiting a harley dealer a saw a police bike and since I like police bikes I thought it could be fun to test seat it and was surprised that is was so comfortable for me even though that I could not flat foot it with both feet. I was surprised that the foot angle was much better for me then the standard road king.
    Due to the fact that my back is weak I would like to have a backrest.

    I think if I can have police bike set up with a back rest it might be the solution for me.

    http://www.utpr.com/policeseat.html

    Since their is a distance between the frame and the police seat I was not sure if it is possible to mount on a backrest to a police saddle and hence my question but the bike in the link below say opposite.

    http://www.utpr.com/policeseat.html

    With the set up in the link below, I think I will have a the leg angle for a standard road king.

    https://www.jpcycles.com/product/80...olice-air-ride-solo-seat-with-driver-backrest
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  11. Kevm

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    One thing about HD, when the MoCo doesn't make something there's a decent chance the aftermarket does! Sweet.

    Wow, you must have pretty long legs (short torso) to cover our 3" difference in height, either that or I wonder if the shocks on the one your tested were set with little preload (lots of sag) or maybe conversely I've got mine set-up kinda stiff.

    Well, either way, good luck and HAVE FUN!
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  12. sixspeed

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    You used to post some interesting questions about adding hand shifting! Glad to hear you are doing OK and going to be back into riding.

    I'm around 5'10" and on my 11 FLHP with factory seat I can just barely flat foot it. Sidi street boots have a well defined heel which probably adds 1/4 to 1/2".

    You can't go wrong with the stock cop seat and utopia backrest. Once you get your feet up on the boards it's almost chair-like seating and the back rest supports your lower back. Important to me since I have some lower back issues from a hiking accident probably 30 years ago. I do find that I have my arms nearly fully outstretched when I sit "on" the cop seat with my feet up. It's not painful nor fatiguing, even for all day multi-day rides but it could be better. If the bars were back and up about an inch or so it would give much leverage for my low speed maneuvers since I am at the end of my reach. I did try risers but I couldn't get a good feel for whether they would work and then I had issues with not only extending cables but with the "dash" that the bike has over the standard bar risers.

    And as Kev says, the police models are HD's goodwill ambassador and PR machine so they give steep discounts to dealers and PDs to keep their nice shiny bikes in the forefront of the public. I'm glad cruise is now standard, because on my '11 it wasn't. It was an easy fix to make a few jumpers up to allow the siren and lights controls to run the cruise; it did take a $25 trip to the dealer for the dealer to hook the bike up to the computer and enable the cruise.

    Anyway, other than the higher seating, there's not much to dislike about the HD Police bikes. And they look downright cool. :D
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  13. Oilhed

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    I’m picking up mine Sunday. I found three near me less than $18,000. That’s a lot of Harley for the price.
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  14. Iranian

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    Maybe I have missunderstood you but a difference in 3 centimeters are not that much or?

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  15. Iranian

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    Yes I have in the past done some posting regarding foot clutch and hand shift and it is still on my agenda. Once I got some idea in my head I just can't for worst and good get it out of my mind :-). Seemson that we are in the same position when it comes to back problems. I don't really have a problem with my back but the muscular are weak can't hold the position I have on a cruiser for miles to come.

    As I have mentioned in my previous posts my dad used to police motorcycle driver in Iran and in 1975 got a brand new electra glide 1200 with foot clutch and hand shift with 25 litre of fuel tank and before that he had a due glide from 1964 and for short time even a bike older then that and hence my interest in harley with foot clutch and shift.

    My dad has about 500 000 km experience from that bike and yes the amount of zeros are correct. Since I am Not mechanically inclined he has told me that keep my self away from those bikes.

    These is the list of bikes that I can afford and afford to equip it with foot clutch and hand shift:

    vn 900 classic:
    c800
    V-star 1100 classic,
    electra glide 1200

    Cons with the bikes mentioned above are lack of abs, 6-speed and carbs when it comes to the V-star.

    sportster883 iron
    sportster 48
    883 super low
    Switchback ( I have never testdriven the switchback)

    When it comes to the sportsters I test-drove a 883 iron in 2015 and I got the feeling that the suspension was very hard. I hit a pothole in the street and my back had to take a beating for that one. I realized it is not a bike for long distance, at least for me.

    The one I like is the Road King.

    I am planing to rent a cruiser in the beginning of the summer and a scooter to see which one suite my current situation. I want to rent a kymco exciting 400 and a fat boy 2018 and just to see how my body feels about it.









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  16. Kevm

    Kevm Eternal Optimist

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    I think I'm losing something in translation, both in language and measurement.

    Did you say you're about 175 cm (5'8")?

    I'm 5'10" and my conversion app is giving me only 177.8 cm

    But that doesn't make sense.

    1 inch = 2.5 cm

    Then a 2" difference should be 5 cm

    But I'm getting more like 3.8 cm from my conversion.

    Either way I was trying to say that seems like a bigger difference than you are describing from our similar experience.
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  17. Oilhed

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    5’ 08” = 172.72 cm
    5’ 10” = 177.8 cm
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  18. Kevm

    Kevm Eternal Optimist

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    So about 5 cm

    But the op said he was 175 cm, which is more like 68.89" or closer to 5" 9" which I guess is why it's more like 3 cm difference.

    Still inseam or preload?!? Our both?
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  19. Oilhed

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    So you can adjust the rear susp. for more sag but can you adjust the seat for more sag?

    Kev. does yours have air shocks?
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  20. Kevm

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    Yes and yes.

    Mine's the last year for rear air suspension.
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