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Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by neduro, Dec 12, 2006.

  1. MeterPig

    MeterPig Meh

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    So how does the economy rely on fishing, but motorized recreation and oil leases not so?




  2. dmac1

    dmac1 Long timer

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    Was taking a look at the travel plan. We have until like 5/30 to respond.

    According to a chart on page 262, we currently have 396 miles of motorized single track (that includes 48 on BLM which essentially doesn't change) and they initially proposed reducing that to 318...that was nearly 80 miles of less fun.

    In the preferred alternative, looking at just forest service trails in the GMUG area, but including the unmanaged and wilderness miles for horses (cuz they can ride em and neither moto nor mtn bikes can).

    No Action trail miles: Moto singletrack 348, atv 209, mtn bike 87, horse 900

    Preferred Alternative: Moto singletrack 302, atv 148, mtn bike 260, horse 802

    Via this view, Moto loses 46 (13%), atv loses 61 (29%) , mtn bikes gain 173 (199%!!!), horses lose 98 (11%)

    I've seen where some say the loss of the southern end of Doctor Park is the biggest loss to us. It does appear to eliminate our ability to get to use the 3 campgrounds down there unless you want to ride pavement. They are North Bank, Granite and Onemile. What are your thoughts?

    Thanks.
    Dave

    http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/gmug/policy/travel_mgmt/gun/deis.shtml

    (edited original message to add data above from perferred alt)
  3. Shuffler

    Shuffler Hommes Grande

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    Show up for Hidden Gems now!
    If you do one thing for the environment this year - make it this!


    Congressmen Jared Polis is reviewing the Hidden Gems Wilderness Proposal for Summit and Eagle Counties right now, and we need hundreds of people to voice their support!

    Rep. Polis is holding three public meetings early next month, and is currently taking calls and letters as he considers whether to introduce a bill in Congress to designate the Hidden Gems as wilderness.

    There are two really important ways you can help:


    * It is absolutely critical that as many people as possible attend one or more of the public meetings. And bring your friends and family. Save the dates: June 1 in Boulder, June 3 in Edwards and June 4 in Breckenridge.

    * Also, contact Rep. Polis in the next 20 days and urge him to introduce and support legislation protecting the Hidden Gems as Wilderness. (see below for contact information)


    Attend an open house the first week of June. This is the single most important thing you can to do to help make the Hidden Gems a reality.
    Just click here



    to choose a time and a date. The Hidden Gems campaign will follow up with more details and help with transportation.

    • Boulder - Tuesday, June 1 5:00-7:00
    • Edwards - Thursday, June 3 5:00-7:00
    • Breckenridge - Friday, June 4 11:30-1:30


    Help us get Gems across the finish line! A strong showing is critical to drive home the message-Coloradoans support Hidden Gems.

    The relatively few but vocal opponents of wilderness are rallying to kill the Hidden Gems proposal at these community forums. Why? Because they want to expand motorized use and other harmful activities into these special areas.


    The Hidden Gems are places of quiet and solitude, wildness and wildlife. Places best left as they have been for eons, for our enjoyment today and for future generations. You need to act to help ensure these lands get the protection they warrant.

    Rep. Polis' Hidden Gems Open Houses: Where and When


    Boulder Tuesday, June 1 5:00-7:00 pm
    Boulder Public Library
 Canyon Theater 1000 Canyon Boulevard
 Boulder, CO 80302
    Doors open at 4:30; Come by early, starting at 4:00, to meet other Gems supporters and enjoy refreshments
    Facebook RSVP


    Edwards Thursday, June 3 5:00-7:00 pm

    Battle Mountain High School
 Auditorium 151 Miller Ranch Rd. 
Edwards, CO 81632
    Doors open at 4:30; Come by early, starting at 4:00, to meet other Gems supporters and enjoy refreshments
    Facebook RSVP


    Breckenridge Friday, June 4 11:30-1:30 pm

    Colorado Mountain College Breckenridge Campus-Community Auditorium
107 Denison Placer Road
 Breckenridge, CO 80424
    Doors open at 11:30 AM. Come by early, starting at 11:00, to meet other Gems supporters and enjoy refreshments
    Facebook RSVP


    Show up early to meet other Hidden Gems supporters and campaign organizers, share refreshments, and get up to date on the special values of these lands before the meeting. Contact Will Roush or Ginny Harrington at 970 963 3977 for more details or log onto www.whiteriverwild.org. Ridesharing or other transportation will be available.

    This is our best chance to emphasize directly to the Congressman the importance of the Hidden Gems Wilderness Proposal for our communities as well as Colorado's legacy of environmental stewardship. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to protect more than 243,000 acres of wild lands and vital habitat in Central Colorado.


    ALSO… Send Rep. Polis a letter supporting Hidden Gems
    at feedback.polis@mail.house.gov, or P.O. Box 1453, Frisco, CO 80443


    OR, Call Rep. Polis' office and let his staff know that you support the Hidden Gems proposal.
    Click here for what to say on the phone. Summit County Office Phone Number: 970-668-3240 



    PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD! Forward this email to your family, friends and associates to help protect our most treasured landscapes and water resources. Include a personal note asking them to take action for the Hidden Gems.

    Background


    The Hidden Gems Wilderness Campaign is seeking designation of new wilderness areas and additions in the White River National Forest and nearby Bureau of Land Management lands in Eagle and Summit counties, as part of a larger proposal that also includes public lands in Pitkin and Gunnison counties. Rep. Jared Polis, whose district includes Eagle and Summit counties, is now considering a proposal submitted by the Hidden Gems Campaign for the areas in his Second Congressional District.

    The proposal would create several brand-new, standalone wilderness areas, while significantly enlarging our existing wildernesses. Please join us as we work toward this bold and exciting vision!

    Learn more at


    www.whiteriverwild.org.





  4. dmac1

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  5. MeterPig

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  6. Cloud9

    Cloud9 I was HERE?

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    Sent to me by underwaterguru


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    Opportunity to Have Your Voice Heard on July 16th
    ARRA recently sent an alert notifying you that earlier this year President Obama held a conference on America’s Great Outdoors and established the America’s Great Outdoors Initiative to be led by the Secretaries of Interior and Agriculture, the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency and the Chair of the Council of Environmental Quality. The initiative is tasked with reconnecting Americans, especially children, to the outdoors and to receive public input and ideas.
    Part of this initiative includes a series of Listening Sessions around the country, including three July 16th sessions in Colorado to discuss land conservation, recreation, and reconnecting people to the outdoors.
    It is vitally important that the Administration hear from you about how you recreate on and enjoy public lands. If you can attend, please take this opportunity to make it clear that millions of Americans responsibly enjoy motorized recreation on public lands. If you can not make it to the session you can still submit comments on the America’s Great Outdoors website here: http://ideas.usda.gov/ago/ideas.nsf/
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  7. Tramontana

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    Getting to "the point"...
    ...One more chance to be heard.

    (edit: Doh', 205'd by Cloud9) but good info anyhow;

    The following was published by Americans for Responsible Recreation Access;

    Opportunity to Have Your Voice Heard on July 16<SUP>th</SUP>
    ARRA recently sent an alert notifying you that earlier this year President Obama held a conference on America&#8217;s Great Outdoors and established the America&#8217;s Great Outdoors Initiative to be led by the Secretaries of Interior and Agriculture, the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency and the Chair of the Council of Environmental Quality. The initiative is tasked with reconnecting Americans, especially children, to the outdoors and to receive public input and ideas.
    Part of this initiative includes a series of Listening Sessions around the country, including three July 16<SUP>th</SUP> sessions in Colorado to discuss land conservation, recreation, and reconnecting people to the outdoors.
    It is vitally important that the Administration hear from you about how you recreate on and enjoy public lands. If you can attend, please take this opportunity to make it clear that millions of Americans responsibly enjoy motorized recreation on public lands. If you can not make it to the session you can still submit comments on the America&#8217;s Great Outdoors website here: http://ideas.usda.gov/ago/ideas.nsf/
    More details about the Colorado Listening Sessions:
    Grand Junction Location
    When:
    Friday - July 16, 2010, 9 am to Noon
    Where:
    Two Rivers Convention Center
    159 Main St.
    Grand Junction, CO 81501
    Please Register:
    This event is free and open to the public. Pre-register by Monday, July 12 by sending an email to james_sample@blm.gov with your name, the name of the organization with which you are affiliated, if any, your telephone number, and your email address.
    Denver-Metro Location
    When:
    Friday - July 16, 2010, 2 pm to 5 pm
    Where:
    Denver Marriott West
    1717 Denver West Blvd.
    Golden, CO 80401
    Please Register:
    This event is free and open to the public. Pre-register by Monday, July 12 by sending an email to deanna_masterson@blm.gov with your name, the name of the organization with which you are affiliated, if any, your telephone number and email address.
    Denver-Metro Youth Session
    When:
    Friday - July 16, 2010, 11 to 12:30 pm
    Where:
    Denver Marriott West
    1717 Denver West Blvd.
    Golden, CO 80401
    Please Register:

    This event is free and open to the public. Pre-register by Monday, July 12 by sending an email to jack_placchi@blm.gov with your name, the name of the organization with which you are affiliated, if any, your telephone number and email address.


    Whatever your personal beliefs and location, maybe you can make the time to attend and make your views known?

    I just registered for the Denver area session on the 16th.

    Cheers! :freaky
  8. Esteban

    Esteban Banned

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    But wait... isn't that the same time and date of the DNR Parks Subcommittee vote about the make up of the OHV committee ??!!
  9. MeterPig

    MeterPig Meh

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  10. SRA

    SRA Why is the rum gone?

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    I did too. All of them. I was not surprised to see most of the OHV expansion ones were viewed in a very positive way. Again, not surprisingly, our nanny socialist government is legislating against popular opinion.
  11. Tramontana

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    ...different times and locations.


    State Parks Board Meeting is in Aurora, and we should be there by 8:00 AM, hoping that OHV portion is "heard" around 10:00.

    National Planning Meeting held in Golden, at 2:00 pm.


    I'm hoping to make both meetings and make a day of it. Fit lunch into the commute somewhere in between.

    Cheers! :freaky
  12. MotoMinded

    MotoMinded Rally On Super Supporter

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    heading to this now, hope to see some FF's there! :thumb
  13. MotoMinded

    MotoMinded Rally On Super Supporter

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    Got here at 9, board meeting already rolling, not discussing the OHV fund yet.
  14. MotoMinded

    MotoMinded Rally On Super Supporter

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    @ 1:30pm, July 16th the OHV program died in my eyes.
  15. Esteban

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    It remains to be seen how the new members of the OHV Grant approval committee will act. Pro OHV folks are still a majority on the committee but the antis have gotten their foot in the door now.
  16. SRA

    SRA Why is the rum gone?

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    Rep. Diana DeGette's Wilderness bill moving forward


    An AMA email I received today. Please Take Action!

    Send your congressman an email. It takes two minutes. Take Action!

  17. SnowMule

    SnowMule still learning what is and isn't edible Super Supporter

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    Uggg; never ends, does it... Done.
  18. MeterPig

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    Wow, watching that video is an eye opener.

    Let me break it down.
    1. Lands that are tramled by man are actually untrammeled need to be closed off.

    2. Even though we have locked up the high elevation areas, we now need to lock up the lower elevations.

    3. Evil oil and gas is now the same as evil off-road vehicles.

    4. Degette wants to shut down Handes peak to motorized. That is a 14'er you can ride to the top of.

    Anyone who gives dollar to any group which is pro-wilderness should simply sell their bike and donate the proceeds to these very groups. Degette is clearly an enemy of motorized.
  19. DR-Bee

    DR-Bee WTF?

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  20. Esteban

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    I got this today. I am posting it here so you know who is on our side.
    Steve



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Congressman Michael Coffman
    To: steveg@dim.com
    Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:02 AM
    Subject: Responding to your message


    Dear Mr. Green:

    Thank you for contacting me regarding House Bill 4289, the Colorado Wilderness Act. I appreciate hearing your thoughts and the opportunity to respond.

    I join you in appreciating the tremendous natural resources available to us in Colorado. Our great outdoors makes us the envy of the nation, and contributes substantially to our quality of life and our economy, especially through the visitors brought here for our outdoor recreation. I believe that it is our duty to maintain this resource so that future generations can continue to enjoy it.

    That being said, I do not believe we need to substantially increase wilderness in our state. Wilderness designation is extremely restrictive, precluding many types of recreation that citizen can and do enjoy without causing any environmental harm. Consensus and cooperation regarding wilderness proposals are therefore crucial, especially among those who live and use the land. Wilderness designation is also permanent, so there needs to be a full and complete understanding and appreciation for the restrictions being considered.

    I do not at this time feel that the wilderness proposals contained in the Colorado Wilderness Act meet these thresholds, and I do not support it. I would prefer to maximize responsible use of our public lands, and save wilderness designation only for truly special and widely supported parcels.

    Thank you again for taking the time to contact me. For more information on my work in Congress on your behalf, please sign up for my newsletter at https://forms.house.gov/coffman/webforms/enews.html.



    Sincerely,

    Michael Coffman
    Member of Congress