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Rocky Mountain Access Issues

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by neduro, Dec 12, 2006.

  1. Ditch

    Ditch Long timer

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    <TABLE style="WIDTH: 600px" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=600><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 1px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(0,51,51); PADDING-LEFT: 1px; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; PADDING-TOP: 1px" bgColor=#003333 vAlign=top align=left><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(153,204,153); WIDTH: 450px; PADDING-TOP: 15px" bgColor=#99cc99 vAlign=top width=425 align=center><TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(153,204,153) 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(153,204,153) 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(204,255,204); MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-TOP: rgb(153,204,153) 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: rgb(153,204,153) 1px solid" id=ecxcontent_LETTER.BLOCK6 border=0 cellSpacing=1 borderColor=#99cc99 cellPadding=10 width="100%" bgColor=#ccffcc><TBODY><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,51,51); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" align=center>Double-Dipping for Road Closures: Santa Fe National Forest Rigging Another Project for More Road Closures

    Do you enjoy the Jemez Mountains in the Santa Fe National Forest via a 4WD, ATV, or motorcycle?
    Look Out! You are under attack AGAIN! The Santa Fe National Forest has released a draft Purpose and Need for the 'Southwest Jemez Mountains Landscape Restoration Project. The draft Purpose and Need statement says this:
    "Purpose 2 - Improve watershed conditions and reduce road-related impacts to natural and cultural resources. To achieve this, there is a need for fewer roads."
    This draft Pupose and Need Statement clearly shows that they are already "setting up" the project to close even more roads. There are TWO BIG REASONS why it is SO important to get this fixed:
    1. The draft Purpose and Need Statement for this project "stacks the deck" to ensure the Forest Service will get to close more roads. This is how it works:
    Step 1: (Where we are now) They issue a Purpose and Need Statement that includes road closures as one of the "needs" for the project.
    Step 2: Next, the Purpose and Need statement will be used as the basis for creating the plan, which is called the Proposed Action. The Proposed Action and any alternatives MUST meet the Purpose and Need statement.
    Step 3: Then the Forest Service will release an environmental document with various alternatives. Since the alternative MUST meet the Purpuse and Need, every single one of the choices presented will close more roads.
    Step 4: They choose one of the alternatives as the decision. The Preferred Alternative (representing the Proposed Action) is the one they want, and the one they almost always choose.
    2. The Santa Fe National Forest is proposing to close more roads and they haven't even announced the decision on the Travel Management Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) yet!!! We know that their proposed action in the Travel Management EIS closes more than 50% of the roads in the SFNF including many hundreds of miles in the same area as the 'Restoration Project'.
    Let us repeat: The Forest Service hasn't even announced how many roads they will close under Travel Management and they are already scheming to close even more! And they are loading the dice to make sure they get want they want.
    What can you do? STOP THEM NOW. We must get the road removal "need" out of the Purpose and Need statement before it is locked into the project.
    There are two things you can do to stop this outrageous proposal:
    1. Show up in force at the two public meetings NEXT WEEK. Tell the Forest Service clearly that we have had ENOUGH road closures and the loss of public access must stop NOW! Don't hold back, tell them what your really think and feel.
    Here are the two meetings:

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    11 Forest Lane. Santa Fe NM 87508

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    90 Villa Louis Martin. Jemez Springs, NM 87025

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    2. Send in a short comment. Tell the SFNF that they have closed ENOUGH roads already. Tell them that you want ALL the existing roads left open to ALL of the public. You can send in an electronic comment by going HERE.
    The email address for comments is:
    The postal mail address is:
    Susan Bruin
    Southwest Jemez Mountains Landscape Restoration
    Santa Fe National Forest
    11 Forest Lane
    Santa Fe, NM 87508
    This is really important. Please do both! Attend the meeting AND send in a comment.
    Enough is Enough! ​
    Make sure your voice is heard! ​
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  2. ridenm

    ridenm Missing my emotional support squirrel Supporter

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    Website is here, but hasn't been updated yet.
  3. MotoMinded

    MotoMinded Rally On Super Supporter

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    This is likely the start of the end for one of the few singletrack moto trails in the front range.:cry

    http://articles.outtherecolorado.com/articles/springs-491-dirt-bikes.html

    "An environmental group announced Thursday it will sue Colorado Springs Utilities and Pike National Forest, seeking to halt what it says is damage to endangered trout habitat from dirt bikes on one of the region&#8217;s most popular motorized trails."
  4. terry.mc

    terry.mc Stop ruining my vacation

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    :baldy
  5. singletrackslayer

    singletrackslayer Legalize singletrack

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    "but will remain open to hiking and mountainbiking" of course.
  6. dacrazyrn

    dacrazyrn ED RN Adventurer

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    “It’s a pretty steeply sloped drainage. It’s very erosive soil, so the dirt bikes are just loosening up soil that’s then eroded into the streams,”

    Ban one, ban them all. If dirt bikes cause erosion, then so do mountain bike, then so do hiking boots. Guess if you go barefoot like Cody Lundin, then you are allowed. :D
  7. trailwerks

    trailwerks Missing Two Wheels Supporter

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    Hello everyone,

    This year's annual Bucky's Birthday Bash will support NMOHVA's Access Defense fund for the purpose of fighting road and trail closures in the Gila National Forest. Many ADV'ers haven't yet experienced the amazing routes in the vast Gila National Forest. Load up your DS's and come on down. With one great trip on the weekend of June 9th, you can do it all: Explore the Gila, join hundreds of rollicking locals for Bucky's Birthday Bash, and support NMOHVA's efforts to keep the Gila open for everyone. Here is the event flyer:

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    Additional details can be found at: http://nmohva.org/main/news.php?id=52. Help NMOHVA keep the Gila National Forest's existing routes open for everyone. We hope to see you there.

    Trailwerks
    Recreation Resource Director - NMOHVA
  8. ironbrewer

    ironbrewer Hopefully Riding

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    Has anybody heard about this. I found in on the Colorado front range forum of MTBR.

    Check out this effort from Colorado Mountain Club to turn a section of Rampart into Wilderness (no bikes!)...

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    The Rampart East project is entering a new and exciting phase, one which creates an opportunity for more support!

    To briefly summarize: over the past 5 (!) years [even longer counting the earlier scouting and mapping done by the Denver Group], we have
    - mapped every route within the Roadless Area
    - gotten the official boundaries expanded, with part also designated as "Upper Tier Roadless"
    - moved or removed some roads from the inventory, with prospects for more to be closed
    - arranged for the publication of "pocket pals" maps of recommended trails
    - greatly increased public awareness of the area


    We have decided to advance the project in two directions.


    1. The Colorado Mountain Club core of the group has decided to initiate a campaign to have a Wilderness designation cover as much of the area as possible. We will be meeting in the Community Room at the Safeway on South Wilcox in Castle Rock at 6 pm this Wednesday, November 7 to begin developing a strategy for that campaign. If you would like to help, please attend. If you cannot attend, don't worry: this is likely to be a 10-15 year effort, and there will be plenty of future chance to help.


    2. On Thursday, we will asking the Palmer Lake Town Council to give final approval for a CMC stewardship project, rerouting the lower portion of the Ice Cave Creek trail into a safe and sustainable alignment. If you live in (or have influence in) Palmer Lake, please attend the Council meeting on November 8 (worksession at 6, voting at 7) in the Town Hall. If you would be interested in volunteering to help with the trail project next year, please let me know so I can tell the Council that there is indeed interest in the project.


    You have been included on this email list due to past interest expressed in the Rampart East project and our goals. Emails will be infrequent; if you would like to get OFF the mailing list, please respond to me. If you are not already a fan of our Facebook page, please visit it at Rampart East Roadless Area or
    Rampart East Roadless Area | Facebook. Also learn more about the CMC and the Roadless Area on our website at Rampart East Roadless Area.


    Thank you,


    Tom Mowle
    Colorado Springs co-chair
    CMC Rampart East project
  9. neduro

    neduro Long timer Supporter

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    Captain Jacks trail needs your help. As all of you know, Captain Jacks trail is threatened by a lawsuit filed by the Center for Biological Diversity. We are entering a public comment period, and it's very important for the club to show the importance of motorized recreation in general, and the reasons to keep Captain Jacks open specifically.

    Please take two actions. First, write a letter or email. There are talking points and addresses below, choose the ones that mean the most to you and write a letter in your own words (cut and paste letters are filed as a single response).

    Second, we have a pro-moto lawyer involved to make sure we get a fair shake in this process. The legal expenses are all being covered by the TPA. So, please make a donation- even you can only afford a small amount, imagine how you'd feel without access to this trail. We hope that won't happen, but we are very close to losing it.

    http://coloradotpa.org/participate/donate.html

    It only takes a few minutes and YOU can make a difference. Just choose from the talking points below, use your own words, and send a letter to both:

    Mike Welker, Forest Biologist,
    mtwelker@fs.fed.us;
    U.S. Forest Service,
    Bear Creek Watershed Assessment,
    2840 Kachina Drive,
    Pueblo, CO 81008.

    And

    Kirsta Scherff-Norris, Wildlife Biologist
    kscherff@csu.org
    Colorado Springs Utilities
    PO Box 1103, Mail Code 0940
    Colorado Springs, CO 80947-0940

    Here are some talking points to help you write your letter:

    1) Importance of recreation

    - Only singletrack motorcycle trail in El Paso County- this is a rare blue ribbon riding opportunity.
    - More than 10,000 registered OHVs in El Paso County- popular and growing sport with ever fewer opportunities
    - Long history of use- motorcycles have been using this trail for more than 60 years
    - People come to ride this trail from all over the state and country- OHV accounts for more than $1 Billion in economic impact in CO each year.
    - Access to a large area for recreation, much of it outside the Bear Creek watershed, relies on the connector along Bear Creek.
    - Why do YOU love it? The chance for some peace and solitude so near a city? The challenging nature of the trail? Your favorite thing about Captain Jacks.


    2) Possibility for coexistence between recreation and habitat

    - The trout has survived for more than 120 years alongside a wagon road and then motorcycle trail, multiple use is sustainable and compatible with stream health
    - OHV users are pro conservation- nearly $500k spent in last 15 years on trail improvements and conservation measures (like bridges). No other recreation, OR conservation group comes close.
    - Closing the trail to OHV users will remove an active group who can be part of a solution
    - No evidence to indicate that OHV use has hurt the trout population- higher population proximate to motorized use than to non-motorized use
    - Most erosion is a function of existence of trail, not use of trail.
    o Therefore, if the trail is not sustainable for OHV, it is also unsustainable for non-OHV use. Closing to one user group is therefore not a solution.
    o If realignment must be done no matter what, why shouldn’t it include OHV use?
    o Any other solution will show anti-motorized bias, not pro trout.


    3) Importance of following process with working group

    - Trout Unlimited, CMTRA, Pikes Peak Range Riders, and Medicine Wheel Mountain Bike have all shown their willingness and ability to work together.
    - Best solution will come from a collaborative local approach, not from legal wrangling or capitulating to an outside group with no local knowledge
    - Impossible to manage thru appeasement, USFS must follow the facts on the ground, not try to make CBD happy.
    - Motorized users have been unfairly singled out, villainized and discriminated against without any evidence.


    4) Options:

    - Sustainable reroutes exist to minimize trail impact on stream, and would create a "best case scenario".
    - CMTRA and its membership will volunteer our time and resources to assist with any solution that keeps the trail system available for OHV use.
    - CMTRA can work with State Parks OHV grant funding to complete a sustainable project.
  10. Myfuture_yourdebt

    Myfuture_yourdebt Banned

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    Douglas County (Schools) has a stake in the future of the area as well.
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...wwP_mn&sig=AHIEtbSgXFrCTMm1mvDSFgpXNuRfbivWjw


  11. Myfuture_yourdebt

    Myfuture_yourdebt Banned

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    What ever happened with the South Rampart Travel Management Plan? Was the "Preferred" Alternative B chosen?
  12. Myfuture_yourdebt

    Myfuture_yourdebt Banned

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    The "Rampart East Roadless Area" organization just got a "Face(book) lift" as of January 13th, 2013.

    It's now called the Rampart Range Wildland's Project. It appears to be a move for them to support getting a "wilderness" designation on whatever they can in the entire Rampart area...compared to the previous mission to focus mainly on the "Roadless Area"/Rampart east of Dakan Road and Rampart Range Road.

    About
    The Rampart Range wildlands* are located in the Pike National Forest between Denver and Colorado Springs. These 35,000 acres** are an island of wildlife habitat, solitude and quiet-use recreation in the backyard of the Front Range urban corridor.

    Mission
    Conservation of wildlife habitat and quiet-use recreational opportunities in the wild areas within the Rampart Range.

    Company Overview
    A project of the Colorado Mountain Club, we are working to protect this unique area from future development and off-road motorized use. Come explore and help us to ensure that this area continues to provide solitude, quiet recreation and wildlife habitat for now and future generations.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rampart-Range-Wildlands-Project/172964769399699?group_id=0

    *It seems like they may be trying to start a battle of semantics by repainting the whole Rampart area as "wildlands" in the mind of the public (or at least those who listen and contribute to this group). Instead of calling the area "Rampart Range", they're now referring to it as the "Rampart Range wildlands" as if the two are interchangeable.

    **Because of the 35,000 acre mention, they are definitely referring to only the Rampart East Roadless Area as has been defined before...but they aren't making that clear so their intentions are just as unclear, IMO. No mention of "this area is within the greater Rampart Range area."

    I would also speculate the name change is an attempt to relabel the organization with something a little more hmmm...accessible and meaningful than "Rampart East Roadless Area". The area isn't even roadless given FR-327, 300C, 322, 320, Elk Park Road (private property), etc.

    But it seems this organization likes to do a lot of "painting" for their followers with broad implicit statements such as "this area is roadless", "this area is wildlands/should have a 'wilderness' designation". I imagine they do this not only to reflect their opinion (make the area roadless and with a 'wilderness' designation) but also to project a false reality (this area is already roadless and considered 'wilderness'). It's as if they think they can win simply by declaring victory.

    Sadly that trick may work on many of their current and future followers and otherwise-interested public. I really doubt these people are too dumb to be specific and clear about their intentions and their words...it really seems like subtle propaganda. This coming summer, will their hikers be protesting all of Rampart's roads and motorized use because they believe the entire area to be roadless and under a "wilderness" designation (or at least protesting the roads and motorized users legally in the area that they're concerned about previously known as the Rampart East Roadless Area, you know, since it's called "Roadless" or now "Wildlands", i.e. "wilderness")?

    I can only imagine a newspaper being fed a fabricated report about illegal motorized activity that, when gotten to bottom of it (something the media and greenies won't want to do), is shown to be a perfectly legal motorized use on a perfectly legal road or trail. In that case, their mission would be to get a headline on a major newspaper cover saying like "illegal motorized use rampant in Rampart wildlands/wilderness". Regardless of whatever details at that point, the damage could already be done especially if a good portion of the public believes the Rampart area to be "roadless" and under a "Wilderness" designation. Then the media against us and the greenies would do their best to bury all the details we'd try to bring to light (like about the apparent "Rampart Wildlands/Wilderness" propaganda campaign, the reality of the story and it's fabrication, etc.). But THEY wouldn't work that dirty, would they!?
  13. MeterPig

    MeterPig Meh

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    Whenever the Colorado Mountain Club is involved, no doubt there is intent of theft.
  14. MotoMinded

    MotoMinded Rally On Super Supporter

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  15. zzo

    zzo Been here awhile

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