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Routes through Asia...

Discussion in 'Asia' started by jerseydave, Jul 22, 2007.

  1. jerseydave

    jerseydave jerseydave

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    I am currently on a long dreamt of trip from Jersey (not the USA but the original one in the Channel Islands, GB) to Australia. I am in eastern Slovakia, heading in to the Ukraine in a couple of days, then on through Russia and Kazakhstan. The problem is finding a route from there into India or South-East Asia without flying the bike over the 'dodgy' areas of Pakistan, Iran and of course Afghsnistan. I have heard that it is possible to organise passage through China, but the research I have done has shown this to be both hidiously complicated and prohibitively expensive. Has anyone managed to take this route? Flying the bike into India, even for the short distance required, seems to be cheating a little. Any advice would be most welcome.

    Happy Riding!
    Jerseydave.
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  2. Jonny Cash Money

    Jonny Cash Money Been here awhile

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    hey dave,

    sounds like a fantastic trip! I've been thinking about a similar trip, albeit in reverse, for a long time now. I reciently travelled down the karakoram highway, and met a fair few overland adventure riders. From what i read/hear it's virtually impossible and unbelieveably expensive to ride in china - although I think there was some bloke somewhere on the forum who was doing it - also i've heard of people riding through more remote regions like parts of xinjiang and west tibet illeagially, without any licence/permit.

    Personally i wouldn''t dream of missing out on Iran and Pakistan - I was in pakistan last year and it was one of the most amazing places i've ever seen. Riding in cities would be a nightmare, but the KKH and the northern areas would have some of the best, most spectacular riding in the world. Iran also sees a lot of overland motorbike travellers, and from all accounts it is amazing (and the gas is impossibly cheap). Dodgy areas in the south of pakistan can be avoided by putting the bike on a train at quetta, or somewhere else like that - you'd kick yourself if you missed the karakoram, hymalaya and chinese pamir.

    If it were me, i'd go through iran and pakistan, then onto india/nepal (the road from manali-leh i'm told is unmissable) - and depending on the situation maybe try to sneek into west tibet.

    I'm sure people have already said this, but be prepared to pay mountains of baksheesh to get anything done in india.

    Be sure to keep us posted (have you started a ride report somewhere?) and i'm sure there'd be a bunch of us dieing to meet up when you get to oz to buy you a beer and hear some stories!:freaky

    good luck!
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  3. davorallyfan

    davorallyfan Commonist

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    I have fond memories of Smugglers Inn, St Brelades Bay, St Hellier, 5 mile road, Gorey Castle etc - I spent 6 months on the Granite Island. I tried the overland trip to oz from Jersey ChI - got as far east as Damaascus, as far south as Khartoum and as far north as Herrning (Denmark).

    My V50 at Gorey.

    Good luck I hope you make it I got a bit distracted along the way!

    [​IMG]
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  4. Dirt Doctor

    Dirt Doctor Geographicallyembarrassed

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    Dave

    I was born In jersey and came out to Aust when I was 3 months old. Been back a few times to visit the relatives.

    Look me up when you get to Oz I'm in Bathurst about 2 1/2 hours west of Sydney and my parents are down at Batemans Bay which is on the coast about 4 hours south of Sydney. Always a bed and beer availble.

    Re; travelling tips have only ridden in Turkey so can't really help you there

    Rob
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  5. Willwilkins

    Willwilkins Dr. Topbox

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    Check this out. All 4x4 but we need to share the road! http://www.africa-overland.net/asia-overland.htm
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  6. jerseydave

    jerseydave jerseydave

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    Hi all

    Now in eastern Ukraine, trying to decide on our route. Plenty to report...

    With regard to the clutch, we have decided to leave as is for now. It only plays up after an hour or two of cruising at a constant 120-130kph, when the lever goes slack. After stopping for a ciggie and water it gets back to normal. Maybe if some one knows if this is a sign of an underlying problem? If Sarge is reading this I heard from Jonno that you have had a similar problem. Much appreciated if you would let me know what the guys at Bikers said and how it was rectified.

    Crossed the border from Slovakia at Uzhorod and headed up to Lviv. Initially the road was a nightmare, rutted with heavy traffic, but then turned into flat tarmac winding through the Carpathians with few other vehicles. Beautiful scenery and fast (as possible two up and fully loaded) sweeping corners. Recommended, as Lviv is a great city too.

    On to Uman via Chernoble. Bloody awful road, heavy traffic and insane overtaking manouvers. Stopped in the morning for speeding (72 in a 50 zone) but let off as the police spoke about as much English as we speak Ukrainian, so just could't be arsed. Stopped in the afternoon for overtaking on a solid white line (although cars were still overtaking us). The police asked for a 500UAH fine (about fifty quid), but this was negotiated down to 100, which went straight into the good officers pocket.

    Uman to Odesa ia a new, flat highway. Fast but bloody dull. Ended up heading for Mikailov as Odesa was big, dirty and busy.

    Ten minutes in Mikailov and we were rear ended on a roundabout by a twat in a Toyota. Bike went down but no damge to either it or us. the twat said he was calling the police (fine by me) but instead a few of his mates turned up whereupon he demanded USD200 for the damage to his front wing. As luck would have it a couple of guys on Harleys happened along and stopped to see what was going on. Turned out they were from the Odesa MC who have a bit of a rep, which would explain why the twats mates suddenly faded into the background. They called a couple of guys from the local Bladerunner MC who couldn't have been more helpful. It ended up that as this was Saturday the bike would be impounded for three days until a judge could hear the case. I was pretty dismayed at this but was assured it was normal procedure.

    In the end it all turned out fine, and I collected the bike on Monday after much form filling. The intervening time was spent drinking beer and talking bikes at the Bladerunner clubhouse, so life could have been worse. We even had an impromptu stunt show by 15 year old Kolya and his CBR600. The judge ended up fining me 18UAH (about one pound fifty. Yup, GBP1.50) so quite a bargain when I think we could have forked out USD200.

    Lessons learned: If involved in an accident in Ukraine play it straight. The police were as far from the stereo typical eastern European cops as could be. Polite, friendly and reassuring (although if stopped for eg speeding a small "fine" is the norm it seems).

    DON'T drink and ride/drive. They have a zero blood alcohol limit. (I was made to take a breath test at the local hospital).

    In this part of the world ast least the idea of a "biker brotherhood" is still strong. Thanks to Sacha, Anatoly and all the Bladerunners

    We are now looking at ways to get us and the bike to India via Kazakhstan.

    Great pic davorallyfan!

    Happy Riding

    jerseydave
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  7. Knackers

    Knackers Polishing Turds

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    Maaaaaate!

    Don't know where to start....................
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  8. petefromberkeley

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    You can get more information than you can possible use on this subject at www.horizonsunlimited.com. The China thing isn't so very bad if you only are in there for a few days coming in from Kyrgyzstan, or Tajikistan. The guys at the Caravan Cafe in Kashgar have a good reputation for taking care of the paperwork. Why not shoot them an e-mail and at least ask? I mean, yeah, you spend $800 in three days of being escorted around, but it solves your problem and you get to do the breathtaking KKH plus you miss the dangerous parts of Iran and Pakistan. David at www.stantours.com is your man for all the central asia visa's. He will have them waiting for you at each embasy as you go for a very reasonable price saving you days and days of hassle for something like $20.00 apiece.

    If it was me, I'd go Turkey, Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, then do the China PITA and onto India, Pak, India, Nepal, ship to Bangkok etc.

    On this route, you miss Russia and Mongolia, but unless you are going to ziz-zag it's the best I can come up with. I never did the China with a vehicle, but I've done all the rest of it and you, my friend are in for one hell of a ride.


    edit: OOPS, I just noticed that this post is ancient. I'll leave it up in case anyone else is headed that way. It's Spring soon, so someone probably is.
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  9. Chanderjeet

    Chanderjeet IndiYeah !!

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    Now that piece of information is absolutely great. I will PM you soon, i have some questions.
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  10. petefromberkeley

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    David has the universal reccomendation from Horizons Unlimited. I scaned and e-mailed him copies of all the documents he neededd from Argentina and he got me visas for Russia, Mongolia, Kazakstan, Krygyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Iran. Went off without a hitch. Nice guy too.

    He lived in Turkmenistan for years and moved to Almaty five or six years ago. Very knowlegable about the region.
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  11. Chanderjeet

    Chanderjeet IndiYeah !!

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    Thats wonderful, would he be a good person to contact for a bike import to india ?
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  12. mujiburrahman

    mujiburrahman Been here awhile

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    How did you solve the problem of going through asia? Any develpoments it would be great to read the ride report
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