Run what you brung hack build

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by redfishguide, May 23, 2014.

  1. redfishguide

    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    Okay enough about the bike. Suffice it to say it came together fairly easily and we did a couple of test runs. Time to move on.

    First lets spray bomb the side car frame.


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    A little spray bomb for the struts while I/m at it.


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    And finally lets put a floor on the frame. 1/8 inch aluminium cast offs ='s freebie!!!!! :clap:clap:clap


    I dunno I'm bored so here's a bunch more floor.


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    And more!!!!


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    Now as the plan goes I should be close to finishing. But noooooooo!!!! Someone suggested I add a simple nose piece. Damn I think it was Claude. :deal
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  2. redfishguide

    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    Forgot to mention when I put the bike together I had a decent front end lying around so I did a complete rebuild. Seals, heavy springs, gold valves with damper mods and later a T Kat fork brace. Oh yeah couldn't resist a little polish job on the lowers.


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    Alright about this nose piece. You know I was just fine with a platform and a couple of boxes to surround my dog and away we go. I gotta bad feeling this nose piece thing could get out of hand. Oh well lets see what happens.

    Need to make up some kind of mock up piece to see where we're going. Card board it is!!!


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    That was pretty easy now just try and duplicate it with my DELUXE HF brake. Just so happens I have one more piece of free aluminium that a good buddy was kind enough to pass my way.


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    Dang this ain't all that hard. Oh but wait!!!!!


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    Damn don't look half bad if I do say so myself! Don't you love that hack fender? Err maybe just a bit short and the nose piece looks a little weird with the vented sides hmmm but I was almost done. Need to think on this. Btw you may notice a couple of more pieces of donated aluminium in this picture (old government signs).
    To be continued when we get done thinking. Hmmmm.

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  3. redfishguide

    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    While I was thinking it occurred to me that I skipped a pretty important segment of this yarn so we shall digress just for a moment or two.


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    Lets see, bikes runs, brakes work, frames attached, floors in place, 800 feet or so of dirt driveway with trees on each side; what could go wrong!:ricky

    Now I have read and re read the yellow book and everyone of the 3,013 dire warnings about operating a hack equipped motor cycle so I should be good to go.
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    Okay motor running slip the clutch and away we go. Uh oh kinda headed to the right and that dang Pecan tree is moving a bit to the left. :eek1 No problem going slow, we'll just ease a bit to the left. Oh s**t now we're going further right and dead at that damn tree:p3rry:p3rry:p3rry ABORT mission now, brakes applied not so gently, feet out oops that didn't go so well. :huh Dang this thing doesn't counter steer like a motorcycle and doesn't go exactly where it's supposed to. I vaguely think I remember reading something about that. No worries hauled her down from 8 or so mph and easily still had two or three feet left to go before impact with that stupid Pecan tree. Okay check body parts all intact but please remind me not to put my feet down again!!!!


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    Yeah I know the picture is side ways and no the photographer was not on the ground laughing his butt off, every time I rotate it correctly it keeps appearing side ways when I load it. And no this is not a photo of my original foray but you can see the offending Pecan tree ahead and to the right. Notice it moved back into it's original location.

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    Boss you sure this is a good idea? :cry


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    Where's the f'n errr blank seat belt? :confused:confused
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  4. redfishguide

    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    At this point both "Buck" and I agree maybe this is not the best time for his maiden hack voyage. Matter of fact he seemed to be pretty emphatic about it. Something about having a front, sides, rear and maybe a harness device.

    Oh well time to get back to work.:*sip*

    I'm quite proud of the nose piece I bent up and it fits pretty well but the thing kinda looks like a big sleigh. So I think I'll just add some side pieces and that will give Buck a little more protection. Damn I knew this whole nose piece thing was going to get outta hand.

    Just so happens I scored a bunch of fairly new eighth inch aluminium from a local recycler. Seems another government funded project took a wrong turn. They made a bunch of pieces and decided to scrap the whole project bringing these in for scrap money. I managed to score a nice load and paid just a bit more then their worth as scrap and whole lot less then I would have paid new.

    Now I just have to weld the sides to the nose and mount to the floor. I think I mentioned some time back that I am fairly new at this welding game and aluminium for me has been more then a bit tricky. No problem we'll just practice on a piece of scrap before I tackle the real thing.

    I think somewhere I may have mentioned "free is good" and the nose piece I so proudly bent up was from a nice piece of aluminium a buddy gave me. Little practice and we should be good to go.


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    Yikes :eek1 I know I'm not particularly good with aluminium but this is really ugly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    I may be bad but I aint this bad! Seems free is not always so good after all. Don't know what this stuff is but it appears to be made from layers of aluminium foil and I'm guessing there maybe some adhesive between the layers. Nobody in my shop is gonna weld this together. I know if I try to bend up a new piece my already cut sides will never fit and I probably will never get it to look as good as the one I have. What to do now?

    So I put out a message for help on the Yamaha XS 650 list and good ole Fred from Saskatoon say's why not just rivet it together. Nahh I wann play with my welder buttttttttt
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    It hits I just need to get this thing finished. So off to the hard ware store we go. Bought some aluminium angle and a whole bunch of rivets.
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  5. redfishguide

    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    Seems we might be missing a few photos at this point so we will just charge ahead. Like I said earlier I knew this nose piece would evolve into something not in the original plan. But so be it.

    Using the aluminium angle and tons of rivets I managed to complete the nose piece. I'm fairly happy with the results but now I have all this eighth inch aluminium laying around so why not build a compartment for my partner in crime. Now I'm not lying when I say the original plan was a platform with some storage boxes surrounding a small area for Buck to hang out. Everything else just seemed to take a mind of its own.

    At this point I needed a hack wheel fender and the stock XS rear I had was just too short. Thanks again to a friend from the Yamaha XS list I was able to acquire a second rear with a good tail light. Great time to play with my welder!! I cut then welded the two rears together to create one complete fender for mounting to the swing arm. Riveted and polished a piece of aluminium to cover the weld area and "Bob's yer uncle" or some such words of wisdom in the Aussie style (kudo's to the fine folks down under).

    So here we go :evil:evil


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    Starting to get caught up here but still have a bunch of work not the least of which is doing both the bike and hack wiring. I finally get to play with my T.I.G. and build the rear storage box.

    Hang tight cause "Bucks" going for his first Hack ride SOON!!!
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  6. bk brkr baker

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    Ride ,Buck, Ride !

    Uh,is Buck OK with a running motor ?
    I tried a couple of different dogs ,they were OK while the motor was shut down. I could roll the rig around,no big, but, when i started it,exit stage left.
    Hack dogs,may have to start as hack pups. Good luck.
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  7. redfishguide

    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    Okay Mr. Baker I appreciate the response, kinda thought this report was lost in space. Good to see someone else is looking.

    I think you must have met "Buck" in another life. He is a very cautious dog. I have had concerns from the beginning of this project that all might be for naught. I have been extremely careful getting used to the bike and hack. My major concern has been the motorcycle noise. As a pup he showed fear during thunder storms and fire works. However though cautious he tends to adapt over time.

    I promise a more detailed explanation in my next post which hopefully will come a bit later this evening.

    I promise Buck will ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap
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  8. redfishguide

    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    I guess a little history about Buck is order before we go for his first ride.

    He's a 3 year old rescue dog half Golden and half ????. He spends most of his or should I say my waking time with me. Work's with me and play's with me. By nature he is a very cautious dog when it comes to new things. While he loved water it took him three months to actually swim on his own but now he loves the water.

    As a pup he had a fear of loud noises eg. thunder storms and fire works. He grew up in the bow of my solo canoe and was exposed to many storms while camping and eventually got over his fear. From the beginning I was afraid he would balk at the motorcycle noise and want no parts of riding in a side car. Luckily he was exposed to my solo bikes almost daily and really hated when I took off without him.

    The XS is louder then I would like but I'm running a set of cast off pipes and shorty mufflers that I had lying around. Just so happens I lucked out and they actually fit the sub frame I built even though I hadn't planned it. I guess I can get lucky once in awhile! :clap

    I went through a period of tuning some carbs on the XS I built with lots of popping and back firing which Buck did not appreciate at all though he seemed to get used to it after awhile.

    Through out the build whenever possible Buck's "blankie" would be on the hack floor and milk bones would miraculously appear. The Hack eventually became his favourite hang out spot while I was working.

    Gradually I was able to get him to stay in the hack with lots of bribery.

    Finally the day came for his first ride. I have been running up and down my long driveway quite a bit practicing so he was pretty used to that. Made sure the engine was warmed up and in he went. Pocket full of little milk bones and a reassuring hand, started the motor and off we go. He flinched a little until we got moving then he settled. 800 feet out and back, half dozen milk bones and all was good. I did not want to introduce restraints or Doggles at this time as the speed was REAL slow and I didn't want him to have to deal with any thing else. Finally made it to my neighbors house who was waiting with a milk bone in hand. Did this daily for a least a week and he became more relaxed with each trip!!!!!!

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    Notice his "blankie" :thumb

    By now I am getting a little braver :ricky and so is he.

    Gradually added a harness and restraints then a set of doggles. No problem. Can't believe he doesn't mess with the doggles at all!!!!


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    Sorry no actually moving pics yet so you'll just have to take my word for it. :deal

    As of now he jumps into the side car on his own and no longer flinches when I start the motor. He stands up till we hit fifth gear and then lays down and goes to sleep. Same thing he does in my truck. Soon as I start down shifting he is up again (sitting) taking in the scenery and seeing what's up.

    He loves all the attention and proudly poses for the numerous photo ops. He has never messed with his doggles or shown any inclination to exit the hack. We have had numerous squirrels, cats and dogs cross our path. I still keep him restrained only to prevent him from getting thrown forward in the event of a panic stop. To date we have logged over three hundred miles with mostly short runs of 25 miles or so.

    Me thinks my dog maybe part monkey but couldn't be happier! :clap:clap
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  9. redfishguide

    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    I kinda skipped one little detail that aggravated me for a couple of weeks.

    Oh the joys of wiring! :eek1:cry:huh

    If you look close at some of my pics you might notice I shoe horned an Odysee PC 925 in the area where the air box normally goes. This entire job was the proverbial 10 pounds of sh**t in a 5 pound bag.

    Finally she is wired and everything works horn signals lights etc. At present I am working on a large storage box that will fit in the rear and eventually will hold a second PC 925 for side car accessories.


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    I now have to finish the storage box, rebuild a seat and make a rear rack (mc). I hope to install a small air compressor, tank and winch. Front bumper and rear side car rack on the hack.

    Updates may slow down a bit but I hope to have her done (did I really say that) in the next couple of weeks.
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    rw4x4van East Coast Rider

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    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    That's cheating Ray :deal He was actually turning around to look at the cameraman. But for sure he is always ready to go for a ride. Seems I spend so much time on this build I'm riding way less then normal. That should change in the near future. :ricky New camera so will try to get some video soon.

    You need to come pay us a visit!


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    rw4x4van East Coast Rider

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    :wings :nod:lurk

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    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    Time to fire up the old TIG and get this thing finished. Well maybe.

    Seems to me by adding a rear storage box I might have just build a complete body from the start. I knew that damn nose piece would get out of hand. :deal

    So here goes, bend up some aluminium and do a little welding and make a simple box. Yeah right!

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    Will it fit?


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    Not too too bad.
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    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    One more side and we have a rectangle.


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    Well maybe not quite a rectangle. Gotta smooth out the air flow so I can go real fast! :dllama


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    Hopefully this pic will turn itself around like one of the previous ones did but you should get the idea. I figure a straight rectangle would look a little "boxy". Wow that's a creative use of the English language.

    Any how now I just need a lid and hinges and latches and get this thing attached to my "platform".

    And so it goes on. :norton
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    Loving it so far. My goldie is nervous going in the car sometimes. Buck is a champ.
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    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    Buck was quite nervous at first. He loved the hack but was wary of the motorcycle's engine noise. I still warm up the bike first, shut the motor off and then let him load up. Restart the motor and off we go. He used to flinch a little when I started the bike with him in the hack but no more. He's become quite used to it.

    I think PATIENCE is the key word here. Dogs naturally want to please and desire to be close to us. Given enough time I believe most dogs will enjoy the side car experience. Every dog has a unique personality, just bring him along at his own speed.

    Jack
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    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    Pretty cool my friend! Someday we may just make it down your way. Oh, by the way Fred is a great guy who was a major regular on SCT ( A Yahoo Group) HOME OF THE iNTERNET SIDECAR OWNERS KLUB that I started years ago. Keep in touch :D
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    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    Thanks Claude. This project would not have got off the ground without your kind support. Fred has also been a big help.

    You know the offer I made you so come visit any time.

    There is a possibility I may come and pay you a visit later this fall.

    Jack

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    redfishguide Old Dirt Biker Supporter

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    Sorry for the delay in updates but it seems life has a way of butting in. In my case it was a big piece of metal recently added to my right upper leg. Actually I now have a brand spanking new hip.

    Any how some progress has been made or actually went unreported and since I am starting to function a little bit here goes.

    Seems I had a great idea about adding versatility to my storage box or maybe I just deftly lifted the idea from Clancy's awesome thread. You choose.

    I figure the lid on my storage box would make a fine table for cooking duties whilst exploring the wild "outback" of South Carolina. Naturally what started out as a simple box suddenly became a wee bit more complicated. Well you be the judge.

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    Of course the piano hinge I bought would not allow the lid to open all the way. Oh well a quick google search reveals thousands of hinges for all different types of situations. Finally found some off set hinges that would do the job but now I had to add spacers to make the hinges actually fit. Btw these are marine hinges and they aint cheap!! I also located some stainless latches which can be locked at the front.

    Right now I'm working on some stops to secure the lid while open and in use as a table.

    The nice thing about a rig is I should be riding a lot sooner with my new hip then I will be with my solo bikes.

    Stay tuned!!! :dg
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  20. cleatusj

    cleatusj Dirt floor engineer

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    Looking very good.
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