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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Nurburgringer, Jul 18, 2009.
getting a black one saterday, cant wait
2007 50cc Madass....
upgraded to Zongshen 155z engine
shorter handlebars mounts
no handlebars controls
LED bulbs & tail light
BIGGER and better rear shock
modified front shock springs and oil
two brothers exhaust
yadda yadda yadda etc etc etc = LOTSA grins
I saw a Madass on the road Sunday.
1st time that I have ever seen one.
It's to bad the MadAss is not a 2 stroke. It would be a tuners dream. I think most 2 stroke scooter and moped builders would definitely go for it. The aftermarket could be huge.
Based on my research from when I was thinking about getting one, the aftermarket for them is doing pretty good. Lots of mods available.
I'm trying to determine the value of a 2006 Sachs Madass with a 150cc (non-electric start) lifan conversion. The owner says there is 953 miles on the bike, and about 500 on the lifan. It looks to be in good shape with 2 year old tires.
I am trying to determine the value, because I am interested in trading something of mine for it. I value my item at $1500 and I want to make sure that I have an even trade, otherwise, I would need to ask for some money along with it.
Here's some pics.
He mentioned that he took the air filter off to replace because of a torn boot and he said the battery cover was off, but he has it.
My biggest concern is that as is, in my state of Michigan, it's seen as a 50cc "moped" and only requires the sticker for a moped (50cc/auto trans/30mph limit). This now has a 150cc manual shift engine on it. So I'm nervous about the issue of having problems with riding it as a moped while shifting/going faster or trying to get a plate for it with no title, since it was originally a non-titled "moped".
I have a Chevy S10 that came with 165 Hp, and now has close to 400 Hp. Of course the insurance idiot doesn't know this, and it's none of his business. He goes by the VIN. The problem with that bike is that there is likely a ridiculously low speed limit for 50cc mopeds, and if you got caught going faster, you could get into a lot of trouble. It is the same way here with 50cc pedal mopeds. 30 mph top speed. I had a couple that could hit 60. 80cc Metrakit and a lot of other expensive parts. You just had to be careful where you went that fast. If that is an issue, it would probably have to be titled as special construction, which means a roadworthiness inspection, which it probably would not pass because the frame, brakes, wheels, etc. were designed for 50cc. That is one good reason to start out with a 125, as it already has to be registered as a motorcycle, so it doesn't matter how fast you make it.
So you couldn't post smaller images?..
No air-cleaner... originally a 50 cc bike, how does it qualify for a Moped designator if it had gears prior with the little engine? This is a motorcycle and should be licensed, and insured as one.
If it was a manual shift bike to begin with, then the VIN will show that. Just register and insure it as a 50cc motorcycle. No law against modifying. As long as the VIN on the frame matches the title everything is fine. There is a local chopper/bobber builder here who buys Japanese bikes and frames with titles. He cuts the steering head (where the VIN is) off, and welds it to his custom frame. He then uses the title to register it as whatever the steering head came off of. No inspections here. Perfectly legal.
These are coming back to the US once again in 50cc form. A motorsports distributor I know is currently in China overseeing a batch of them being manufactured to be added to his lineup. Should be here in a few months...
Wade Liu? Is he bringing in the 125 also?
It is Wade. I spoke with Alan yesterday. I did think of you, and shipping bikes to Hawaii, and for whatever reason, Alan told me that they have to air ship bikes to you which makes the cost prohibitive. Maybe they only use one shipper and have some sort of contract? Anyway, getting off topic--I don't think the Madass, at least in 50cc form, would be a good bike for you, unless you are riding around town like any other scooter.
If the 50cc Madass weren't so uncomfortable, I wouldn't mind having one. Even with a manual transmission it would be to slow to ride around town, but it would be great for 200-300 mile trips up into the mountains, riding on the shoulders of non interstate highways. It would spend a lot of those miles in first gear, barely moving along, so it would be a long trip.
Personally, I would prefer, and wait for, a 125cc version, although those 140cc Lifan crate engines for $250-300 might wake up the 50cc chassis quite nicely
Moto-Scoot (in Milwaukee) is suppose be bringing the 2015 Madass 125 (http://www.moto-scoot.net/sachs_madass_125.php) and they have the Madass 50s too but I don't know what year.
They also have an ad for the 50cc which are probably coming via Excalibur. My guess is Excalibur is bringing both bikes into the US because I couldn't imagine two different distributors bringing both Madasses in.
The 50cc is on moto-scoots site at $2295 http://www.moto-scoot.net/sachs_madass_50.php so the big difference would be in driver's licensing because why would someone spend only a few hundred dollars less for a 50 when they can get a 125?
No insurer will care until they have to pay out. Then they will make you care.
Saw this on Sach's Chinese site...These won't be coming anytime soon (if at all), but this answers the question of a powerful engine attached to a Madass chassis, and is a factory bike to boot!
yeah, i decided against it.
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