Scandinavia 2019

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  1. One Horizon

    One Horizon n00b

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    Planning a trip in July 2019 through Denmark, up the Norwegian Coast, across Sweden and down Finland My inclination is to take a ferry from Denmark to Bergen, then stop in Helsinki, Stockholm, and Copenhagen at the end. About a month total, but building in a few stops for tourism. Mostly camping but with hotel alternatives. Looking to maximize time on forest roads; I ride at a moderate pace. Not necessarily bent on Nordkapp.

    Looking for anyone who want to join in for part or all. I will be developing a more detailed plan over the next couple months.
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  2. PeteAndersson

    PeteAndersson Swede

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    How deep into the forest do you want to go? Gravel or mud up to your waist?
    If you want any route suggestions I can help with the Swedish part.
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  3. MAXVERT

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    First Post welcome to the asylum !
    Why July ? Is this the prime time to ride there or ?
    I'm considering a similar trip around that time but really want to get to Nordkapp .

    Max
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  4. norseXL

    norseXL Northman

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    Why ferry to Bergen?
    Better and cheaper to Kristiansand, there's a lot of great riding between those cities...
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  5. GvG

    GvG Been here awhile

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    My default alternative for camping (with a tent) is all the nice cabins on the campsites. That's mainly because my budget will last longer that way: the cabins are cheaper than hotels and you can cook yourself, which is also cheaper than going out for dinner.

    And I still find Sweden and Finland pretty boring coming from Norway (not as boring as Denmark, though). So I'd end with Norway and not start with it.
    Although going from Sweden to Finland through the Åland Islands from island to island is something I'd like to do one day.
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  6. One Horizon

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    My limitation on the July timing is work holiday, though I can adjust a week or so later. I have also read the weather in mid summer can still be very cool and wet.

    As it is still early in planning, and I have never been to Scandinavia, I am wide open to suggestions. If Helsinki to Kristianstand via Nordkapp is a better option, I am game for it.

    I should clarify my previous comment about the priority being forest roads...that is except for the fjords in Norway, where riding the coastal road seems like it should be the goal.

    My thought on Finland was to follow the TET, to simplify route planning, though I have never ridden a TET route. Maybe a couple more aggressive routes in Sweden during the Norway part.

    In my initial route and schedule planning the trip seems to break down almost evenly into about 8 or 9 days on the Norwegian Coast, (some forays into Sweden) a week on the TET in Finland, and a week from Helsinki to Copenhagen with stops for tourism. (Obviously could be done in the reverse direction.)

    Welcome recommendations
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  7. airjammer

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    I'm considering the same ride/ From Oslo north. I would ship my bike and pick it up in england or ??.. Then fly over at a later date spend 10-20 days riding. I have a few options for storing my bike. 990R ADV. I found shipping from Denver to ENG for ~ $1000.
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  8. One Horizon

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    This is a more detailed route plan. This is the CCW version of the plan - North through Finland to Nordkapp then South through Norway and Sweden. I am still mapping the GPS tracks from TET to get the distances stopping points.

    Not sure if it make sense to head back into Sweden or just stay in Norway from the Lofoten Islands to Trondheim. This plan turns East after Lofoten and picks up the TET in Sweden for about 4 days, then heads back West to Kristiansund. It then follows the fjords to Kristiansand.

    I end up losing about 5 days getting to and from Denmark from Germany. The ADV portion of the trip, from Turku (alternatively Helsinki) to Kristiansand, is only about 20 days.

    I will continue to build routes through early January, then start locking in bookings. Welcome your ideas.

    Germany to Denmark
    2 Days / 1-2 (Thursday-Friday) 4-5 July
    Stuttgart to Copenhagen

    Denmark
    1 Day / 3 (Saturday) 6 July
    Copenhagen Tourism

    Denmark to Sweden
    2 Days / 4-5 (Sunday-Monday) 7-8 July
    Copenhagen to Stockholm
    Copenhagen to Hjo on TET 4
    Hjo to Stockholm 5

    Sweden (Part A)
    2 Days / 6-7 (Tuesday-Wednesday) 9-10 July
    Stockholm Tourism
    Overnight Ferry from Stockholm to Turku

    Finland
    7 Days / 8-14 (Thursday-Wednesday) 11-17 July
    Turku to Hetta on TET, 2200 Km, mostly fire road or trail. Each listed town has nearby camping / cabins / hotels.
    Turku to Petajavesi 8
    Petajavesi to Kuhmo 9
    Kuhmo to Hyrynsalmi 10
    Hyrynsalmi to Hossa 11
    Hossa to Salla 12
    Salla to Sattanen 13
    Sattanen to Hetta 14

    Norway (Part A)
    4 Days / 15-18 (Thursday-Sunday) 18-21 July
    Hetta to Nordkapp 15
    Nordkapp to Tromso 16
    Tromso Tourism or Lofoten Islands ride 17
    Tromso to Svappavaara 18

    Sweden (Part B)
    5 Days / 19-23 (Monday-Friday) 22-26 July
    Svappavaara to Ostersund on TET 19-22
    Svappavaara to Jokkmokk 19
    Jokkmokk to Berglunda 20
    Lycksele to Stromsund 21
    Stromsund to Ostersund 22
    Ostersund to Kristiansund 23

    Norway (Part B)
    4 Days 24-27 (Saturday-Tuesday) 27-30 July
    Kristiansund to Kristiansand

    Norway to Germany
    3 Days 28-30 (Wednesday-Friday) 31-July- 02 August
    Ferry from Kristiansand to Hirthals 28
    Hirthals to Stuttgart 29-30
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  9. norseXL

    norseXL Northman

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    You should definitely try to take FV17 (costal highway) from Bodø to Steinkjær.
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  10. nordicbiker

    nordicbiker Been here awhile

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    You might want to check out my homepage nordicbiker.se where will find some general info and inspiration. It’s mostly in German, but there is an English summary. Or contact me directly by email for any specific issues.
    kaiuweoch[at]gmail.com
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  11. Teabar

    Teabar Been here awhile

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    I did some research on the same a while back and was led to a really good guide by doing a Google search for 'norway f17 route guide'. It led me here ...Kystriksveien (The Coastal Route), Norway. It's a really nice guide which I hope to use some day.
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  12. One Horizon

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    Thanks,
    Great photos, and my German is good enough to read the trip reports.
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  13. One Horizon

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    What do you think is a good recommended distance per day on a TET in Sweden or Norway. The TET linesman in Sweden recommends an average of 350 Km per day. I am a medium pace rider. Plenty of experience on dirt roads with an ADV but no MotoX racing experience.
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  14. nordicbiker

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    350 km a day is a very reasonable pace for both S and N, which gives you sufficient time for stopping to take a look at things along the way and take pictures. My own ability to focus also decreases drastically after that, but it is in fact required if you ride small (gravel) roads. In general Íd say: if you like to ride gravel S is a better destination than N. There are some really great gravel roads in the southeast of N, but all the long distance routes up north are pavement. At the other hand those are much more scenic than the gravel roads through Sweden. For that reason I‘d recommend a mix: one way along the Norwegian coast (be prepared to have some waiting time and expenses for ferries!) and the orher way inland, either in S or FI!
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  15. Riding Fin

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    I had a brief look at the Finnish part of your route plan. I haven't ridden the TET route myself, and actually it goes along areas where I've never even visited (...) But I'd guess quite a lot of it goes through forests, so the main scenery would be trees :) But there's definetely plenty of gravel in Finland, so those you'd probably get.

    It's a matter of taste, but I'd say the scenery up North is nicer, a bit less forests and a bit more hills - you'll actually see something. Landscape starts to change a bit above the Arctic Circle. Plenty of small mosquitoes up north in July, especially in the forests. Not dangerous, but can be annoying as hell....also something you'll have to swipe from your visor/goggles. The very northest parts are better from this viewpoint.

    Lappland weather is not easy to predict - I've seen a few minus C degrees at the Artic Circle (west side) during Mid-Summer fest, 24th of June....then again, at the last July Lappland was the hottest place in the whole country. In general July should have OK temperatures.
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  16. itinerant wool stash

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    Definitely recommend that. Try to make time for enjoying the Lysefjord, it is one of my favorite fjords in Norway and probably the most quiet one. There are two types of ferries running from the western entrance of the fjord (either Forsand or Lauvvik) to its end at Lysebotn: One is a big tourist boat that will definitely have space for a bike and stops along a couple of points with stories to tell.

    The other is a smaller (but quite fast) catamaran that you need to reserve vehicle space on -- but if you are a single bike, just showing up and asking if there's a spot free worked can work as well. If you like to just stand at the front of the boat, let the wind blow in your face and enjoy the scenery this is probably the better option.

    You can combine this with hiking the Preikestolen, which is about 90 to 120 minutes of walk per direction. In prime tourist season I recommend getting up early and ascending in darkness using a headlight, to watch the sun come up and to better enjoy nature without gobs and gobs of people around you (the last time I was at the plateau at 4:30 in the morning); this also has the advantage of being able to catch the 9:00 ferry at Forsand.

    From Lysebotn you can take the Fv500 (very much recommended) across the high plateau back to Rysstad, Evje and then finally Kristiansand. Tip: The E9 switches from the west to the east bank of the Otra between Bygland and Evje; stay on the left bank using the Fv304.

    Regarding Finnland, yes, the Finnish TET has a lot of gravel roads through forests ;)

    I rode it two years ago, and even though I didn't finish (yet?) writing the Norwegian part of my ride report, the Finnish part is complete: https://advrider.com/f/threads/nors...ing-and-general-purpose-scenery-porn.1245263/

    Please keep in mind that the TET Finnland now is I think slightly different from the one I rode back then (if I remember correctly @Revontulet wanted to make some changes to the southern part, don't know how much came of that)

    Two years ago I spent some quality time between Hossa and Salla, riding in ice rain, wind and temperatures round freezing. In July. ;)
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  17. Revontulet

    Revontulet Been here awhile

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    The southern part has been completely reworked. It now follows a more westerly route. :-)
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  18. nordicbiker

    nordicbiker Been here awhile

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    I got quite a few tips on Scandinavia / Sweden on my homepage. It's mostly in German, but there are three English pages summarizing the most important things to know.
    if you come to Sweden in early July: I am currently in the planning phase for the 2nd Horizons Unlimited Sweden meeting, 6.-8.July. Not official yet, but I hope it will soon be published!
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  19. Viktor.J

    Viktor.J Adventurer

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    I might have a road plan for you from Laxå (from the TET) to Stockholm.
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  20. Mark-OldBrit

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    Hi

    I am planning a similar trip from 5 August – 12 September from the UK. The rout I am looking at is Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Malmo, up through Norway to NordKapp, and possibly back through Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Germany.

    I will research the return journey more as I think the roads may not be that interesting and an alternative may be to catch the ferry from Helsinki back to Copenhagen.

    Thanks to all on this thread for some good pointers.
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