OEM options: Kawasaki Versys-X 300: 32.1" / 386 lbs KTM 390 Adventure: 33.6" / 379 lbs These combined factors were discussed in another thread, and how they relate to getting more & new riders interested in ADV riding, and not on underpowered 250s. Women were mentioned, but it's really about anyone that's turned off by a high seat height, regardless of gender, age, or level of experience. If you can't touch the ground, you probably aren't going to be comfortable on a bike, especially as a less experienced rider. Add in covering ground rougher than pavement, and it's easy to understand why some people are turned off before they ever lift a kickstand on a ADV or DS bike. @Norty01 made a lengthy post that kicked things off, and I've copied it below: "Ok, we've got motorcycle genre name settled. We've got motorcycle weights settled. We've got motorcycle features almost settled. One thing that was touched on briefly was seat height. Let's revisit this subject, shall we? Ok, we know seat height is a direct result on suspension travel. Since most of us here rarely bottom out our suspenders (except for the guy doing triples on his GS, that is,) we rarely bottom out our suspenders. Back, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, it was an unwritten rule, that you should bottom your suspension 2-3 times every lap. (Think MX here, will ya?) Ok, since the vast majority of enduro/dual-sport/adventure riders don't ride at a pace on a moto-X track to bottom their suspension, it makes for only bragging rights that a rider has 11.8" front/rear of travel, when they only use 4.5" of it. Therefor, it makes sense to offer bikes with 6" or 7" of travel, thus lowering the seat height 4 or 5". You know, truth be told, that 6" of perfectly tuned suspension will out perform a foot of lousy sprung/valved suspension. (Yes, it will.) Think about this for a minute. What is the one thing our sport is missing. C'mon, you can do it. Ok, I'll tell you. It's FEMALE riders. How many female riders do not ride because of the tall seat height? The vast majority. What we need to do is twist the arms of Hon/Yam/Suz/Kaw to build lightweight bikes with 450cc engines, tuned for 50hp, with a seat height of 29-30" unladen. This isn't an impossible task. Hell, I'd like to see the European's offer the same, too. Look, I'm tellin' ya. There's a crap ton of females that would love to join us on our rides, but they're stuck with 110cc minibikes. The first spec, I mean the VERY FIRST SPEC that female riders look at, is seat height. Back when I was an MSF ridercoach, 35% of my classes were female. Where did they go? HarleyD? Some did. Why HD? Because HD offers seat heights of 27" on some of their bikes. I'd like to see more female riders out in the back country. This can only improve our sport, if you think about it. There are very few that go out because of the tall seat height. Some wanted to ride dirt, but were summarily "shut out" due to the seat height. Now, I know what you're gonna say, "Seat height only matters during mount/dismount." True, it does. But, when a rider gets it in their head that they can't, then they've already been beaten. Remember Henry Ford's quote? "If you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right." To a new rider, there's a lot of truth to that. What say you?"