Seven motorcyclists killed in crash with pickup

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Snowbird, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. Snowbird

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  2. cyclopathic

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    It had to be a group ride
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  3. tessalino

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    I've been reading about this elsewhere. Here's another couple of pics. From the skid marks it sure looks like the truck, which was towing a trailer, crossed over the line.

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  4. Tmaximusv

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    Don’t assume a group ride. Easy to kill six when three couples are out riding together which I wouldn’t classify as a “group” ride.
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  5. JaySwear

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    Group ride I'm sure. Not that they did anything wrong. From the moment I saw the headline I was positive it was a truck crossing the center-line. The real question is cell phone or fell asleep?
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  6. VX Rider

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    Wow, sad for all involved
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  7. tessalino

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    Maybe neither. Look at the size of the trailer vs the size of the truck. I honestly thought that was the guardrail until I looked more closely. I've towed lots of trailers before, and it's easy to go too fast, trailer starts to fishtail, and then the driver is just along for the ride.
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    Sad day for everyone involved. Our thoughts are with them.
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    A trailer that size is well within that trucks towing capacity, but anybody may drive such a rig without any training, or a CDL.
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  10. anotherguy

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    Group ride,no group ride what's it matter? "I wonder if anyone was wearing a helmet?" The article typical of "modern journalism" offers little to no factual information only that there is carnage with images of destruction. Poor taste at best and IMHO irresponsible. No compassion for the deceased or those left behind which is then carried on here. Assholes.
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    I'm now observing multiple instances of oncoming traffic crossing the center [usually double yellow] line every time I'm on a ride. This is particularly true on the country two lane ("B") roads that I prefer to use when attending to errands. The condition and width of these roads are sufficient to easily accommodate all vehicles, but for 18 wheelers (and even they can stay in their lane if they try) and the occasional large farm tractor. If I see either of them, I always shift to the right side of the right wheel track to give them a bit of extra space as a courtesy.

    Otherwise, there's no reason to drive on or over the yellow lines, but for laziness or distraction.

    When I come over a rise and the oncoming driver sees me, he/she will always move back into their lane, usually over-correcting a bit, only to drift back over after we've passed each other. It's instructive to consider why that occurs.

    The foregoing is only anecdotal evidence, but this is what I, and my GoPro, recurringly witness. It's difficult to not believe that things are getting worse.

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    As for the sad event linked in the OP's post, the pictures say enough.
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  12. gen1fizzy

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    That's awful and I feel terrible for all involved.

    I suppose riding in a tight group makes everyone more visible but in this case, I feel it cost some lives.
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  13. Dave in Wi

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    In an article posted last night they said the NTSB is investigating. I hope to learn what happened, it’s easy to speculate but none of us really knows.

    Horrible situation. Apparently it happened right near where some of the group were staying.
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    People cross the centerline in turns all the damn time, usually just a small amount, but that doesn't excuse it. It's laziness, and lack of attention to detail. Most driver's can't even make a left turn without driving through a car length or more of the oncoming left turn lane. Then they get all bent out of shape if there's a car waiting in that lane.

    I've started honking sometimes at people over the centerline, they probably don't even know why I honked though.
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    Saw that this morning very sad news..
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    drunk? texting? cell phone?
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    Jeez, wrong place wrong time again. :(
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    Doesn’t help that he was pulling a 30’ gooseneck equipment trailer.
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  20. tessalino

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    Within the truck's "legal" towing capacity, maybe, but it's still unsafe.

    Look at the size of the trailer. The trailer wheels are at the very rear of the trailer. That means the weight of the trailer is concentrated on the hitch/tongue at the rear of the truck. The trailer's weight is pushing down on the rear of the truck to a tremendous degree which raises the front of the truck to some degree. That completely alters the steering geometry of the truck making it unsafe. The truck is too small for that trailer.
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