OK I am going to derail this thread but we will get back on track soon. The stand your ground law that was brought up here, makes a good point. We have one in Texas as well, I am sure Arizona does too. Do you all think the rider in the above video would have been justified in pulling a gun and possibly using it if the road rager in the Honda Accord didn't back off? I think so he as was being attacked, but seeing how the old man fights I could have easily kicked his ass too, but still as I said earlier I would have simply rode away.