Superhawk \ VTR1000F

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by curtis6870, Dec 27, 2014.

  1. curtis6870

    curtis6870 Long timer

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    Maybe I skimmed over it to quickly, but didnt see a VTR1000 thread.
    Curious as to opinions of those who have owned them.
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  2. bikefreak47

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    I've owned mine since late summer 1997. Over 40,000 trouble free miles. Suspension should be upgraded due to typical US rider weight. CCT's can be problematic if bike has been started and left idling on sidestand too many times or if throttle has been constantly chopped from near redline. Typical Honda build quality from that era= good.
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  3. kickstandsup

    kickstandsup Long timer Supporter

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    Had mine for a couple of years, then sold it to a buddy when I moved west. I enjoyed the bike, kinda like a Duc with the sharp edges filed off. Suspension was a bit soft, front brakes weak, I solved that with an oversize cast iron rotor set from brake tech. Biggest problem was range. Typical riding had the RLOD, the red light of death, on at about 115 miles and you were walking in less than 20 more. Fast riding would drop you below 100 mile range. Great torque, a fun street bike.

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  4. cls

    cls Long timer

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    I bought the first one I could find when they first came out and put 36K miles on it. I was very satisfied w/the public road handling and real world power. I also averaged just under 44 mpg's in commute mode. Get on it and it's a blast, but the mileage goes to crap. Then, again, who really cares when you're playing? Great bike and certainly one of my favorites of all time. Still the best sounding bike I've ever heard (TBR exhaust, jet kit, and filter).
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  5. Flying Frisian

    Flying Frisian Born to Ride Supporter

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    I had one back in 2000. Loved it and so did the kids.

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    Crashed and totaled the bike when I ran out of ground clearance in a fast off camber sweeper on Thanks Giving 2001. Had the exhaust on the ground but needed a little more lean to make the corner. Rear wheel was lifted off the ground and that was the end of that.

    Great bike, wouldn't hesitate to buy a good used one. It's a sport/sport touring bike. Not a super sport.
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  6. Kawasakirob

    Kawasakirob Phone, Wallet, Keys

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    I had one. It was a 2002 Model in Yellow. It was a beautiful motorcycle. It sounded good, it handled good....it wheelie'd good. It was a fun bike. One worth having again.

    Planning trips on it required a little more thought than normal. The short range was a limiting factor when choosing a route. Highway riding if conservative would net you 130mi. If you were getting on it, less than 100.

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  7. calamarichris

    calamarichris Been here awhile

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    I had a 98 back when they first came out. Fun bike, and beautiful bike, but I haven't bought a Honda since.
    Cylinders wore egg-shaped after 50K miles, despite meticulous maintenance, using the Honda synthetic oil, leaving it mostly stock, and riding it moderately.
    I loved it back then, because it was the first bike I'd ridden after my Harley, pretty much the first bike I ever rode that had enough power to pull the string from a cat's @$$. Wasn't too crazy about:

    ~The short range and terrible fuel economy
    ~The speedo, trip and odometer were not even close
    ~The brakes were weak, (but the engine braking helped make up for this.)
    ~Went through a few regulator/rectifryers
    ~The unmuffled camchains (one on each side of the engine) made a huge racket, (which is one reason I'm sure my Superhawk was very nearly the only one I saw with stock exhaust.)
    ~I heard plenty of complaints about VTRs having to replace the camchain tensioners, but fortunately never had problems with mine. (Heh--the cylinders wore out before the CCTs did.)
    ~The carbs were so big (the biggest Honda had ever put on a motorcycle) that panic stops would sometimes cause the bike to stall, because the gasoline would shift to the front of the massive floatbowls.
    ~The carbs were heated by engine coolant, and I went through a few sets of O-Rings where the coolant plumbing would flow into the carb bodies.
    ~The rearward weight bias made the bike a wheelie-monster, but also made the bike handle weird.
    ~Despite the satisfyingly torquey engine, a stock I4 600 from that era could smoke the VTR off the line AND on top while getting better mileage.
    ~I heard lots of complaints from other VTR owners about the Tuned-flex layout (the swingarm is not bolted to the frame, but directly to the back of the engine), but it felt great to me after riding POS Harleys. However every sportbike I've ridden since the VTR has felt a lot more secure, stable, and planted in corners.

    And finally, Honda bored the cylinders directly into the top half of the engine cases and electroplated the aluminum, rather than separate cylinder blocks. This is the primary reason my cylinders were egg-shaped after only 50K, AND I learned that I couldn't replace the cylinder blocks & rings, but had to replace both the top and bottom halves of the engine cases--basically replace the whole thing.

    Not slamming, trolling, or picking fights with any previous or current VTR owners. This is only my experience. I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me.
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  8. Skidmarkart

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    Loved mine.

    Did everything well, but nothing amazing. Was super-fun to ride and made loads of USABLE power. Not the fastest bike out there, but you will not get left behind by one. Versus an I4, I think you get to use the torque of a V-twin much more often. Handling worked great for me, suspension was a bit too soft (especially in front), front brakes were, as other have said, not that great. Terrible gas mileage, combined with a small tank made for lots of stops for gas. Eats rear tires, chains, and sprockets. Good position, a Corbin is a must if you don't enjoy your bollocks mashed against the gas-tank. Reg/rectifiers will die, replace with an Yamaha R1 model once and never worry about it again. Huge carbs require a while to warm-up... probably why I sold mine.

    I think the Superhawk is one of the best deals in used bikes. It's a fantastic all-arounder, is for the most part very dependable (in my experience), cheap to run and ride, and VERY tunable is you have the desire. I sold mine because I commute, and it's a few miles. It took the entire commute for the bike to get warm. It was just starting to run properly as I parked it.

    I miss it and would love to have another.

    I would also love it if Honda would make another liter-class v-twin sport bike.
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  9. Cowboy10

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    Here was mine. I put 25k hard street and track miles on it and never had problems. Everything on it was modded and way to much money sunk in it. Wish I had It back, but the buyer parted it out like a jerk. Super hawks are great bikes with a few upgrades.

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  10. OConnor

    OConnor Bad juju

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    I had a '98 as well. I sold my Hawk GT to get it which I regret. SH was a nice bike though poor range and the stalling issue were annoying. Sounded amazing with the full M4 system.
    Would I buy another? No, I'd buy another Monster first.
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  11. Cowboy10

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    It seems like tons of riders "had" one and not too many "have" one. It's a good bike for the money but not a great one. I almost bought another one as well and then I discovered the tuono.
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  12. Kai Ju

    Kai Ju Long timer Supporter

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    Every now and then I wish I hadn't sold it. I put a lot of work into it.

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  13. NarcoPolo

    NarcoPolo Been here awhile

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    I had a '98 and loved it. A great street sportbike with the biggest negative being the short fuel range. My mileage was like others have posted. About 130 mile range at best, and around 100 or less if hard on the throttle. Mine ran great and I never suffered any stalling issues that some have mentioned. Front fork springs need to be stiffer, and adding stainless steel brake lines make a world of difference.

    I thought it was a great street bike and a good bike for a beginner/novice track day rider. The V-twin power is very forgiving, letting you concentrate on hitting your lines and braking points. As my track skills improved, the rearward weight bias had her shaking her head out of corners when I was hard on the throttle, but pushing my body weight and upper body further over the front end took care of it. It was fun to ride a bike and feel like I was riding it near its potential. As many have said, it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow. I only sold it when my wife surprised me with an Aprilia Mille. The Mille is much more composed on the track, but not as comfortable and easy to ride on the street.
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  14. NarcoPolo

    NarcoPolo Been here awhile

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    Hey Cowboy10, I shipped my VTR to an Air Force test pilot stationed in Ohio at Wright-Patterson, if I recall correctly. Are you T. V., or did you possibly buy your SuperHawk from him?
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  15. squish

    squish Out of the office.

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    It's 2015, the VTR1000F came out in 1997.

    That's 18 years between then and now.

    Back in the day it was a great streetbike, with a flexible chassis and somewhat weak brakes.
    It was known to have wonky issues with tires, if you put a tire that was too sticky it could wind the chassis up and the handling got even funkier.

    They were never sold in big numbers, there was very little aftermarket support for them.

    And they sell for nothing these days.

    But in the time since these bikes where new, there have been a lot of other far cooler far nicer bikes sold, that would be a better used buy.

    I've had two 1998.
    I got around 79-110 miles of range on the fuel tank.
    It was mostly comfortable for my then younger body
    It was fast, and throaty, with a very fat low and mid range power.

    As I said above the brakes were just ok, nothing great about them and they would stop the bike, but they were mostly spongy and initial bite left a fair amount to be desired.

    The suspension while decent back in the day for street riding, especially on rougher tight stuff. was easily overwhelmed by speed or overly sticky tires mixed with speed.
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  16. calamarichris

    calamarichris Been here awhile

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    +1 to that. The rearward weight bias on the Superhawk made it a wheelie monstah, but the weirdest handling bike too. The front tire made a howling noise when getting over far enough to start scraping pegs.
    My current ZX9R handles much, much better than the VTR did, but it was kinda nice to have that little audible warning that the front tire was about to let go.

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  17. RhinoVonHawkrider

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    A couple of points - there was / is a thread that has VFR & VTRs together, but there was always more VFR posts.

    I still have mine - 2002 (KawiRob) the 02 was never Yellow that's an 01, I think.

    Anyway as stated weak brakes & soft suspension, unless you are less that 170 lbs.

    Also they would need aftermarket CCTs at 30k or less - easy fix.
    Regulator / Rectiifiers would be toast after awhile again aftermarket works great.

    Stock tires sucked, but a good tire works great.

    I will never sell mine - as I know like most of you I would regret it.

    Ohlins & Racetech springs makes this a great moto - even by today's standards.

    V-Twin that just pulls All Day long.

    No jokes for my pizza case, I came from riding Beemers with luggage and I used to commute on the VTR for work.

    Now I'm jonesing to ride it - Brrrrrr Winter in the Northeast.

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  18. calamarichris

    calamarichris Been here awhile

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    How many miles you got on her?
    Any oil consumption?
    Not poking fun, just curious, because my cylinders wore out after only 50K.
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  19. Kawasakirob

    Kawasakirob Phone, Wallet, Keys

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    Ya know what, you may be correct. Can't believe I don't remember:norton.
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  20. RhinoVonHawkrider

    RhinoVonHawkrider Long timer

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    I have about 53k. No oil eating.

    I went from Dino earl to semi syn, now full syn. I've always changed the earl between 2 & 3k.

    And too many mods to list or remember.:clap

    I've owned mine since new. Will be 13 yrs this May:D:clap
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