TAT - difference between Sam and gpsKevin

Discussion in 'Americas' started by emacs, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. Addapost

    Addapost Been here awhile

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    Again, why not put both sets on both units? I am really at a loss to understand that.
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  2. Themastermike

    Themastermike Think you caught me in a coma Supporter

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    Heels dug in, is that hard to understand?
  3. PittsDriver

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    I did the full TAT with both on my GPS. On my BMW Nav Kevin's show up as a layer of the background map so they are always there regardless of which tracks are loaded. It was nice to see when they diverged and have those options. Given that Sam updates and changes the TAT pretty regularly and Kevin does not, if you do what you're saying the two of you will be riding two different routes from time to time. Murphy's law says that the very time you need need to find each other will be the time you're hosed by running different tracks. Call each other? LOL, that's a good one. Good luck with that without cell service. Inreach messaging is always an option for communicating but when you're in the middle of nowhere, and you look around all you both see is trees and you don't know if the tracks are running the same right then, then where do you plan to meet up? Some town off the TAT? And when you're riding along I guess you'll just ride the route that the guy in front is following because he won't know you're GPS says something different. Just seems silly when you could just as easily have both loaded and color coded.
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  4. Addapost

    Addapost Been here awhile

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    Yes we know that plan isn't going to work for them. They might end up with some good stories though! I did the same as you. I bought all of Sam's tracks for $100 or so and found a free version of Kevin's from someone here on AdvRider. I had both open on Gaia on my phone in different colors- Sam in Blue because he's "true" and Kevin's in red because he is often portrayed as the "bad guy." My little joke. From Damascus where I picked up the TAT to Utah, the two sets were like 90% exactly the same, and where they did differ there was really no qualitative difference in the riding. In the few places they differed it was nice to be able to have a choice. When they differed in the morning and I was fresh, I would generally take the longer option. When they differed at 5 PM and I was exhausted, I'd take the shorter option. They always came back together in 10 or 20 miles or so. After Colorado they are almost totally different. With a little overlap in the beginning of Utah and the end of Oregon. I don't understand at all why someone wouldn't run both sets at the same time. Plus more than that in fact. In Virginia, NC, GA, eastern TN I had the SEAT tracks open in a third color. In Colorado I had the COBDR in a third color. Same in Utah, I had the UTBDR open in a third color. In fact in Utah I mostly took the UTBDR instead of either TAT to get to Green River. Although there is overlap between those three as well. Anyway, everyone has to ride their own ride.
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  5. sieg

    sieg Wearing out tires......2 at a time, day after day. Supporter

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    Yeap both tracks and show them in different colors.
    I do it all the time on rides I do. Main in red because it shows up best. Green for things I not sure of. Yellow for short cuts. Black for hard bonus sections.
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  6. wbbnm

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    And maybe even go a step further and put both sets on your cell phones and have a navigation app ready to go just in case.

    And as noted above put some BDR tracks on in case you need a bailout.

    On many units you don't have to have all these tracks visible at the same time. For me even with different colors having all these tracks visible at the same time would be confusing.

    Unless you are bring a laptop along, you probably not be able to add tracks to the gps units along the way.
  7. Dan Diego

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    Sounds like you get lost a lot. You’re trying to make things more difficult that they are. I’ve done may, many off-road rides in the US, Canada and Mexico. Unsure how you do your rides, but only one person leads at a time. We don’t get separated often. And there are backup plans if that occurs.

    If you haven’t used SPOT and inReach, or are unsure of their capabilities, then stick with someone with better navigation skills.

    I don’t what your point is, but OK, thanks for your input.
  8. wbbnm

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    A friend also did the manual conversion of roll chart turns to first routes and then tracks in 2006 for our TAT ride in 2007.

    He did make a few mistakes, but nothing serious. I can't imagine trying to do this with a roll chart. My brain turns to mush just trying to follow tracks all day.
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  9. PittsDriver

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    Having options is always a good thing.
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    Cool. I'll be looking forward to reading your ride report on how those decisions worked out for you.
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  11. PittsDriver

    PittsDriver Fuse lit.... Supporter

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    I have nothing but major respect for Sam. Before and during our TAT ride, he answered the phone every time I called him and was always friendly and helpful in deciding on some additional excursions and some short cuts we discussed. He's an encyclopedia of knowledge and happy to share it when asked.

    Glad to hear that he's still out there exploring and adding more fun to his legacy of seeing America from the road less traveled.
  12. edstoll

    edstoll OPD-2019 Supporter

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    I also bought Sam's maps many years ago and took the time to draw tracks. It taught me a lot and I was sure glad to have my old crude gps to follow instead of the roll charts. I came across another rider on the TAT trying to navigate by roll chart. Here is a picture of him.

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  13. Addapost

    Addapost Been here awhile

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    Hahahahaha!! Awesome! I’ve never used a roll chart but that is exactly how I picture it would go.
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  14. road_apple

    road_apple Hit the Trail

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    Dude! THat's way over the 500 waypoint limit!
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  15. OUTLAND MOTO

    OUTLAND MOTO And then suddenly....

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    Just something I came across on Sam’s web site. Allegedly, there is a route in North Carolina that passes through private land and authorities are citing riders that pass through there. According to Sam, this is NOT his route, and authorities mentioned gpsKevin as one of the routes that has people going through that private land. I cannot speak to the accuracy of this information, but I thought I would post it here if anyone wants to look into it to avoid any problems.
  16. Jeff@TheQuadShop

    Jeff@TheQuadShop TAT survivor

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    gpsKevin has gotten into trouble with the BLM out west as well.
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  17. Yinzer Moto

    Yinzer Moto Long timer Supporter

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    I am sure that is true. When we used Kevin’s route, we had issues and had to detour some places. We wanted to use it because Sams is more for big bikes.
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  18. OUTLAND MOTO

    OUTLAND MOTO And then suddenly....

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    Good to know. Like I said, I don’t know this first hand. But there is a note on Sam’s web site about it. I spoke to Sam years ago when I was planning a trip using his routes. He was very nice and seemed honest. So I figured I’d post here so people who have been on the route could verify. Thanks for the input @Yinzer Moto ! :thumbup
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  19. Yinzer Moto

    Yinzer Moto Long timer Supporter

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    Depending on the persons actual goals and bike of choice, both routes should be considered. Sams is a very well organized and is a nice back road tour of the country. Kevin's is a little more wild and more suited to small bikes.
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  20. turtlemoye

    turtlemoye I'd rather not be online. Supporter

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    This was posted over 5 years ago. I live in NC and while I don’t personally know him I have friends who are friends of Kevin’s. This got totally blown out of proportion and I haven’t been able to confirm a single rider has ever gotten cited unless they knowingly went around forest service gates. And for the record I have nothing against Sam and do fully respect the years of work he put into creating the original route. I just hate seeing Kevin blamed for nonsense. Buy Sam’s to support him and download Kevin’s for free. Do your own research and figure it out as you go. It is supposed to be an adventure after all.