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  1. txmxrider

    txmxrider Been here awhile

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    A friend and I will be riding the western half of the TAT beginning Sunday July 29. The plan is to join the TAT just south of Walsenburg CO and ride to the OR coast. We're both riding Yamaha WR250Rs and details of the bike setup is shown further down in this post. We'll be using gpsKevin's tracks and the goal is to ride the original TAT and to take the most difficult route options, preferably as much single track as we can find. (We're old enduro riders so we're just weird that way!)

    The plan is to leave our pickup truck in Pueblo CO then start the trip from there. We have 12 days allotted for the motorcycle portion of the trip. We'll camp until we stink so bad we can't stand it any longer then get a motel room. Typically breakfast will be on the trail since we're camping and lunch and supper will be whatever we can find at gas stations, restaurants, and bars along the route. We're pretty flexible about what and when we eat. When we get to OR we've reserved a Penske box truck at Grant's Pass OR then we'll drive non-stop from Grant's Pass to Pueblo CO and hopefully our pickup truck will still be there waiting.

    At the end of the trip I'll come back and tell you what I took that I didn't need and what I didn't take but wish I had.

    TAT Packing List 2018

    CAMPING SUPPLIES
    Tent (Eureka Backcountry 1-person tent)
    Footprint (plastic sheet + Tyvek sheet)
    Extra tent stakes and cord
    Mallet
    Sleeping bag (Feathered Friends 30-degree)
    Exped inflatable pad
    Camp pillow
    Camp stove (Walmart)
    Camp stove fuel
    Cook pot/cup (Blue tin cup from Walmart)
    Lighter
    Folding chair (REI Flexlite)
    Instant cocoa
    Instant oatmeal
    Bumblebee tuna packets
    Two freeze dried meals
    Fruit bars
    Spork
    Candle

    PERSONAL ITEMS
    Pocket knife
    Mosquito spray
    Aspirin
    Toothbrush
    Toothpaste
    Deodorant
    Razor
    Comb
    Soap
    Camp towel
    Butt wipes
    Toilet paper
    Shampoo
    Toothpicks
    Q-tips
    Sunglasses
    Spare glasses
    Glasses cleaning cloth
    Monkey butt powder
    Dog tags
    Laundry powder
    Cell phone
    Cell phone charger
    Proof of insurance and title for the motorcycle

    CLOTHING AND RIDING GEAR
    Two sets of riding pants and jersey (wear one, pack one) (Klim Dakar pants for cooler temps and Olympia vented pants for hot weather)
    Warm weather gloves
    Cold/wet weather gloves
    MSR enduro jacket
    Sidi riding boots
    BMW rain jacket
    Two pair riding socks (wear one, pack one)
    Two under shorts (wear one, pack one)
    Flip flops
    Fleece jacket
    One T-shirt (wicking type)
    One lightweight hiking pants
    Neck gaiter
    Oakley backpack with 2L water bladder
    Spare 2L Camelbak
    Headlamp and spare batteries
    Fox fanny pack with essential tools, wire, zip ties, duct tape, JB Weld

    MOTORCYCLE EQUIPMENT
    Tire plug kit (plugs, glue, reamer, insert tool)
    Tube patch kit
    Spare 21” tube
    Bicycle pump
    MSR C02 inflation kit
    Two tire irons
    Lightweight bike cover
    Extra fuses
    Chain lube
    Tow strap
    Spare levers (brake, clutch)
    Extra master link
    Chain breaker
    Two 1L MSR fuel bottles
    Spare air filter (pre-lubed)
    Three Filterskins (pre-lubed)
    Rubber gloves
    GPS and SD card
    Assortment of spare bolts/nuts
    Loctite blue
    Shop rag

    MISC ITEMS
    Spare keys (truck, m/c, cable lock, bike lock)
    KOA Value Card
    Cable lock for m/c
    gpsKevin section maps
    gpsKevin big maps
    Paper roadmaps for CO, UT, NV, OR
    Contact numbers for Penske truck rental pickup and drop-off locations

    Bike Setup (2009 Yamaha WR250R)
    Wolfman luggage system
    Two dry bags secured with ROK straps
    Garmin Montana 600 GPS
    Flatland Racing skidplate
    Flatland Racing radiator guard
    Scotts steering damper
    Acerbis handguards
    Protaper CR mid-bend bars cut down to 29"
    Two Powerlet power ports
    Heated grips
    Seat Concepts seat
    IMS footpegs
    14/48 sprocket set
    Tubliss tubeless tire system
    Pirelli MT21 front tire
    Dunlop D606 rear tire
    Yamalink lowering kit

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  2. txmxrider

    txmxrider Been here awhile

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    Woowee, that's a lot more than I expected! Weighed everything, including extra 2L of water and 2L of extra fuel and the bags themselves. Not much I can cull though, at least not without taking on an unacceptable amount of risk.

    Top bag #1 (yellow): 8.0#
    Top bag #2 (white): 8.0#
    Left pannier: 17.8#
    Right pannier: 14.4#
    Backpack with 2L water plus fanny pack: 10.0#
    Grand total: 58.2#
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  3. delux2769

    delux2769 Thumper!

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    Probably don't need:
    Shampoo
    Razor
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  4. Whodatschrome

    Whodatschrome Long timer

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    You could save some weight by leaving the comb at home.
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  5. shrederscott

    shrederscott Long timer

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    I ride a ktm 350 multi day camping trips 3-10 days a few trips every year.

    In my opinion

    Your taking TO MUCH ! !

    Less is more on these trips

    Example of to much

    2 pairs of riding pants ! ! !

    Um.....NO....way to much weight and volume ! !

    I wear Klim Mojave mesh pants with a light weight waterproof/windproof plastic rain pant for colder or wet days over my Klims ....works great ..... I use the marmot precip pant with full side zips .... easy on/off ...open zips for as needed venting ...packs small and light .

    Bike cover .... Um no ...it's a wr250r ...sitting out at night will not hurt bike at all .... leave It !!!

    You list includes 3 bulky heavy jackets ..a flecce a BMW and a MSR Jacket ... way to much

    Dump the flecce for a down Jacket with a hood ..way warmer way less weight and volume.

    Take either the MSR jacket or BMW jacket ...not both ! !

    2 liters of MSR fuel ...way to much ! ! easy to buy more fuel on trip a single 0.5 liter bottle is plenty

    Your taking l aundry soap ! ! Why ? ? ....hotel or regular laudery location will have single use packs for sale ... no need to carry that ! !

    Lots of other examples of to much gear on your list.

    LIGHTEN YOUR LOAD ! !

    Your trip will be more enjoyable

    Good luck

    Scott
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  6. phreakingeek

    phreakingeek Big Ear Inc - Virginia Provider Super Supporter

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    I am a big 'over packer' too and rode the TAT last summer. I didnt take as much as you are taking and still had a few places where my load of gear was problematic. ShredderScott has some great suggestions for going lighter and smaller.
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  7. Liberator

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    Gotta to agree with the previous comments.

    And things like a pillow are a waste of space. Just wad up the fleece (or whatever piece of clothing) and put your head on it. Toothpicks? Q-tips? Comb? Shampoo? All that seems like stuff you can get at a gas station store or a hotel/motel if ya really need 'em. Camp chair? All this on a 250??

    And I wouldn't take anything but a free-standing tent. Maybe it's a dumb idea if the winds kick up but feels like all the stakes and cord is just more wasted space. Maybe it's a wash....

    This is a ton of stuff I'd cut back on and I'm specing out using a The Pig for my Western TAT. I get you're doing technical stuff so it seems like you'd wanna cut back even more for the sake of handling the tough stuff!
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  8. txmxrider

    txmxrider Been here awhile

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    Ha! I look enough like Daryl from the Walking Dead even on a good day so I'm drawing the line at the shampoo and comb! The real difficulty in packing is the temperature extremes. It can be snowing in the higher altitudes and triple digits in the desert. I suppose if I had to choose one or the other I'd rather be too hot than too cold. I could skip the rain jacket and cut holes in a garbage bag. I did that for years but it only worked then because at the end of the day I'd have a warm dry place to come to. No rain jacket in CO during the monsoon season sounds miserable. Keep in mind too that the weight listed is a worst-case scenario. I won't carry the extra fuel bottles and extra water bladder full all day every day. I have to have the 2L minimum of additional fuel for the days where it's close to 200 miles between fuel stops. So as soon as the tank empties down enough I'll put the fuel from the bottles into the tank. The extra 2L of water is for the desert sections, particularly the red trail from Moab to Green River. But point taken, I probably could cull some items and still live in relative comfort. I'll rethink this a bit and post back with an update.
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  9. larryboy

    larryboy Stable genius.

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    I like your initial list, it 'looks' like stuff you'd use, but 58 pounds is nuts. My max on a dirt trip is 40 pounds including food for a week.

    Mallet, tent stakes, spare levers...don't need that stuff.

    Modern camp pillows are as small as a can of chew and weigh less, worth it to me.

    I'd rethink the tubliss, then you can ditch half the tire repair stuff. I can't tell you how many reports I've read where they fight a tubliss equipped bike for a week.
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  10. Tewster2

    Tewster2 Long timer Supporter

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    You don't need a mallet...rocks are everywhere
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  11. txmxrider

    txmxrider Been here awhile

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    So far I've jettisoned the cable lock, the mallet, the bike cover, the fleece, camp towel, pillow, and the extra riding pants and jersey. By skipping breakfast I can cull the mess kit and all the breakfast fixins'. That shed about 12#. If I ditch the camp chair I can claim another pound and a half. Hated to part with the breakfast and I'll miss having a warm cup of hot chocolate or tea in the morning. All I can say is that the riding had better be damn good if I have to sit my hungry, sweaty, stinky ass in the dirt every morning and evening :) The good news is that I've completely eliminated one dry bag worth of stuff. I've probably packed, unpacked, and packed again 20 times and I'll probably still find a few things I can pull out.
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  12. delux2769

    delux2769 Thumper!

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    Having the camp chair is super nice... It's one of the few amenities that will be accompanying me, lol.

    Sent using severed fingers controlled by telepathic dolphins.
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  13. txmxrider

    txmxrider Been here awhile

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    Here's the latest packing list and weights:

    CAMPING SUPPLIES
    Tent (Eureka Backcountry 1-person tent)
    Footprint (plastic sheet + Tyvek sheet)
    Sleeping bag (Feathered Friends 30-degree)
    Exped inflatable pad
    Camp pillow
    Folding chair (REI Flexlite)
    4 Bumblebee tuna packets
    10 Fruit bars
    10-pack soft tortillas
    Spork
    Candle

    PERSONAL ITEMS
    Mosquito spray
    Aspirin
    Toothbrush
    Toothpaste
    Deodorant
    Razor
    Comb
    Soap
    Camp towel
    Butt wipes
    Toilet paper
    Shampoo
    Toothpicks
    Q-tips
    Sunglasses
    Spare glasses
    Glasses cleaning cloth
    Monkey butt powder
    Dog tags
    Cell phone
    Cell phone charger
    Proof of insurance and title for the motorcycle
    Wallet

    CLOTHING AND RIDING GEAR (not counting the gear I'll be wearing)
    Warm weather gloves
    Cold/wet weather gloves
    MSR enduro jacket
    BMW rain jacket
    1 pair riding socks (wear one, pack one)
    1 pair under shorts (wear one, pack one)
    Flip flops
    One T-shirt (wicking type)
    One lightweight hiking pants
    Neck gaiter
    Oakley backpack with 2L water bladder
    Spare 2L Camelbak (empty except in the desert areas)
    Headlamp
    Fox fanny pack with essential tools, wire, zip ties, duct tape, JB Weld

    MOTORCYCLE EQUIPMENT
    Tire plug kit (plugs, glue, reamer, insert tool)
    (buddy is carrying one spare 21" tube and a bicycle pump)
    Two tire irons
    Extra fuses
    Chain lube
    Tow strap
    Spare brake lever (buddy is bringing a spare clutch lever)
    Extra master link
    Small chain breaker
    Two 1L MSR fuel bottles
    Spare air filter (pre-lubed)
    Three Filterskins (pre-lubed)
    Rubber gloves
    GPS and SD card
    Some spare bolts/nuts
    Loctite blue
    Shop rag

    MISC ITEMS
    Spare keys
    KOA Value Card
    gpsKevin section maps
    gpsKevin big maps
    Paper roadmaps for CO, UT, NV, OR
    Contact numbers for Penske truck rental pickup and drop-off locations

    Dry bag: 7.8#
    Left pannier: 12.0#
    Right pannier: 10.4#
    Backpack with 2L of water + fanny pack: 10.4#
    Grand total: 40.2#
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  14. larryboy

    larryboy Stable genius.

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    Much better!!

    I like the idea of taking the title, never thought of that, makes it easy to get rid of the bike if you blow it up.
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  15. shrederscott

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    Your doing great getting your load lighter and more compact ! !

    Just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

    Some of the items you have ejected ....I feel you should reconsider.

    Getting a good night's sleep is critical to the success of these trips

    I NEED a camp pillow to sleep good ...the key is to goto your local REI and check out there inflatable pillows ...they pack very small ... I use the sea to summit brand ... blow them up to try the size and shape out before you buy.

    You need a stove ! ! You will need it to make hot drinks when it's cold ...you will need it to make oatmeal for breakfast and freeze dried dinner.

    You need a lighter more compact one than what you got from walmart.

    Get the small size Jet boil solo stove/cook kit.

    These work great for boiling water and that is all you need a stove/cook kit to do.

    Again go to REI ...get the stove and 2 of the silicon collapsible cups (one for you and one for your partner ) ... this one cup will hold hot cocoa, your oatmeal and your freeze dried dinner. ..of course not all at the same time .

    Scott
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  16. txmxrider

    txmxrider Been here awhile

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    Not sure why I started doing that, probably something I read a long time ago. Anyway, it has paid off. One time I had a CR250 in the back of my truck and was driving through Ashland Ky when I noticed a cop following me. After a few minutes he pulled me over and said someone had stolen a CR125 that fit the description of my bike. I explained that mine was a 250 but he wasn't impressed. When I whipped out the MSO and showed him the matching VIN numbers he let us move on. That was a long time ago but I still carry the title for my street bikes and the MSO for my dirt bikes.
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    speedtrials Been here awhile

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    If you're camping somewhere without facilities (ie. a shitter) you should bring a plastic trowel for digging a cathole to shit in. That's the most respectful thing to do. A plastic trowel weighs almost nothing.
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  18. neppi

    neppi Been here awhile

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    My 2cents, in a perfect brain fart order...

    - If you need the breakfast, don´t leave it at home! It´s like trading the weight for a bad mood. If you need your oats and coffee in the morning, you need your oats and coffee in the morning!

    - You don´t need the soapy stuff, but ass wipes are a big yes yes! You can dry-shower with those. You can even find bio-degredable these days, but do you have to take the cheapest, 1000pc pack on this trip? You can get small samples of toothpaste at the dentist´s... Soaps and shampoos come as samples aswell. Or raid your motel / hotel for the small bottles.

    - A vote for a garden shovel (if that´s what a "trowel" stands for). I used to put mine under the kick stand until the kickstand actually went through it one day (damn Ozone hole and UV rays!). I had a Fiskars one (for patriotic reasons, GO FINLAND!!!) with a hollow handle. You can twist the cap off the handle and store a lenght of TP in it, waterproof.

    - Can you split the tyre fixing stuff / -irons and other tools with the two of you, like you did with the levers?

    - Chain lube comes in tiny cans, thou it´s more expensive that way... Share with your friend.

    - Tyvek AND plastic sheet? If you want to go lighter in that area, get a "Scotch Patio Door Insulator Kit".
    https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company...Patio-Door-2144W-6/?N=5002385+4294922731&rt=d that and a bit of transparent, proper gorilla tape (or similar) and you can make yourself a goundsheet that is superlight, packs light but indestructable.

    - I´m carrying a camp pillow, but on your kind of a trip I would just take a fleece pillow case. Fold some of the clothes in there over night.

    - Do you have a Buff. I´m a big fan! I always carry a few. Replaces your neck gaiter (unless neck gaiter means a Buff), beanie and I´m wearing one over my eyes when I sleep.

    - Mosquito spray and such... bring small and share with your friend. Get another one when you run low.

    - Don´t call it a Fanny pack if in NZ. It means lady-parts down here... Ü

    - Is there a lighter, maybe multi use-, option for a tow strap? I´m carrying a ratchet tie, which I´m using for towing, a tie down, a recovery winch-ie thingie, clothes line and such. You might only need one for the team...

    - You´re a biker, why would you bring a wallet?!? It´s empty anyway! Ü

    Consider mounting the tools and spares on the bike, somewhere down low. I saw a post here about a tool tube, that I really liked, I see if I can find it...

    But anyways. That´s my 2c...

    Carry on...



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  19. neppi

    neppi Been here awhile

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  20. scout68

    scout68 Been here awhile

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    Subscribed. Ready to follow your ride. Keep the posts coming as you can. If you are like me you will actually be pulling out just before dusk tonight !

    Good riding, safe travels.
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