The 650 Dakar Thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by underwaterguru, Mar 10, 2009.

  1. Gedrog

    Gedrog 1000 mile stare a 1000 stories to tell

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    Hmm that is not Noice
  2. Gedrog

    Gedrog 1000 mile stare a 1000 stories to tell

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    Oho are you colour blind ? the bike has a stock frame, but it is stock silver and no part of it is anodised or ALU:hmmmmm

    We are talking about this bike

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  3. NahdarVebb

    NahdarVebb Lukas

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    Um, didn't mean to be rude jesus.

    But blind? Well, when you said you're for subframe a bulb lit up in my head (alu/in other words lighter subframe, something that catch my attention) lit up and I thought you're for that. Which obviously isn't there. Or I misunderstood what you meant by "tanks sub frame".
  4. Gedrog

    Gedrog 1000 mile stare a 1000 stories to tell

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    Naah no worries @TobyG has the tanks special sub frame seat and skzooze that matches that set the original Rally conversion was just £6000 for the tanks,fairing, seat and skzooze, you had to separately purchase suspension £3000, IMO and road book and swing arm don't have prices on those
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  5. eakins

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    How to protect shock?

    I see covers are available but shocks produce heat. Overheated shocks wear out even faster.

    Anyone mold a piece of Kydex and double side tape it to the lower tank so it slides between the swingarm and tire?
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    Renaissanceman DON'T PANIC! Supporter

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  7. eakins

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  8. NahdarVebb

    NahdarVebb Lukas

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    So you're saying neoprene cover will do harm? The shock gets hot anyway doesn't it. And if it has been ridden thoroughly before swapped for something else, it must be dead anyway. I believe that people who opt for an aftermarket shock do send them for service regularly. But the question is if the heat destroy oil properties in that time range between services.
  9. eakins

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    Yes I've read that in many different places.
    Shocks are hot thru use and covers hold that in causing a shortened life and poorer damping performance the whole time.

    No idea what the truth is but I'd like a guard vs a cover
  10. Sparqq

    Sparqq Been here awhile

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    So the question is, what shorters life more heat or dirt?
  11. NahdarVebb

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    Yeah wel I am very interested in this since I wanted to use a cover. What's the service interval then? Once a year? Or 15-20k km. Or even sooner. Or later....

    Will that heat produced destroy oil only or will it affect parts also. I'd say oil only, but don't know really.
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    Good ?

    I'd say the solution is stop the dirt with a guard vs covering the shock.
    Stops dirt and does not trap heat.
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    The extra heat affects the shocks ability to dampen properly. That's the immediate performance drop with a cover.
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    So it affects the dampening ability through whole operation time of the shock not just when oil gets degraded eventually? If so, then the cover is a gimmick and companies sells them to people like me who knows shit.
  15. Gravel Seeker

    Gravel Seeker Old, growing older.

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    I don't speak German, but from what I gather the bike is not starting and doesn't have TÜV approval.
    Toby is sitting on new old stock from Touratech after their financial challenges a couple of years back, but no complete kits afaik, so he might have a need for a complete kit to make molds from to complete his other kits.
    Just spoke with him an hour ago and he's on the road now though so probably won't check here for a while.
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    Gravel Seeker Old, growing older.

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    I have the cash, but no desire for a TT Rallye :lol3
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    Like I said in the other thread where you asked:

    When I bought my Öhlins shock I asked the suspension shop for protection for it and they ordered and sold me a neoprene shock sock with Ö logo on it. $40 or so (massively over priced of course).
    Surely they (Öhlins) wouldn't have branded and sold them if they were bad for the shock.

    Just find a cheap sock on ebay.
  18. Boxerbreath

    Boxerbreath 2017.5 GS Black Storm

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    I’ve been looking at F650GS’ for awhile. I’ve only ridden a Dakar once but surprised by the power it had.
    Probably going to be my last (Grampa) bike some day...
    I’ve seen a lot of good deals on low mileage bikes.
    What are the weak points, what should I look for?
    I’m basically a boxer rider.
  19. eakins

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    The concept is sound but excessive heat is hard on a shock's performance. If you are just plodding along in sloppy mud no problem I'd guess, but if you are pushing along at a hard place for hours on end that will have an affect. There is a reason no oem setups are using full wrap covers vs shields.

    And yes that is the theory with heat and affecting the damping ability when the shock is covered and overheating vs it's intended use.

    Push you shock hard and open it and feel it.
    Next take off the cover and do the same thing.
    Even better use a touchless temp tool and measure the difference. We tried the touch thing years ago with 2 KLRs, one with a cover.
    The touch temp difference was significant.
  20. eakins

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    Buy a 04 or later twin spark motor if you can. There might be a change in 05 too?
    So 05-07 might be the best years.

    Motors are solid you just need to do some mods to the rest of the bike.

    Yes it has real nice torque roll on.