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The art of packing light

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Drop_Center, Aug 12, 2018.

  1. david61

    david61 Queue, a word with 4 silent letters....

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    Just 1/2 the toothbrush handle.....still works fine.

    I'm with you on the Leatherman though, most seem to have lots of tools that don't really perform well at all.
  2. CA-Cincinnatus

    CA-Cincinnatus Semi-retired GI-Bill student, husband, GSD-host Supporter

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    It's a "jack of all trades, master of none" tool. Adequate for most tasks, not purpose-built for one.

    That being said, I've had a Gerber Freehand for the last 10+ years that's taken a lot of abuse and hasn't failed me yet.
  3. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    Me to brother Jr., "want half my PB&J?"
    brother jr., "sure!"
    Me, "peanut butter half or jelly half?".

    Kid grew up to be a mathematician.


    You could grind the handle so only half is left but preserve the length.
  4. miks

    miks Been here awhile

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    I tend to agree that most multi tools and Leathermans aren’t worth their weight. However, I pack a Leatherman Crunch which functions like a pair of locking vise grips as well as snips and pliers. The locking feature is pretty cool - I’ve seen guys use vise grips as makeshift levers (both on the bars and at your feet) and the “third hand”ness is nice for repairs and holding things when riding solo. Keeping it for now.

    https://www.leatherman.com/en_AT/crunch-1.html
  5. 30Angler

    30Angler Adventurer

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    Any of you guys run a lithium battery? Huge weight reduction. Is no battery an option for any of you?
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    NoelJ Long timer

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    Three lithiums in use now. It's all I buy. AntiGravity is my current favorite.
  7. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    Electric start only, no kicker.

    My AGM battery weighs a ton but even mid summer there will be frost on the bike in the morning. The lithium will be worthless unless I throw a bunch of its power away pre-warming it, and the bike won't recharge it from a start-up at idle. Then there is the very high cost. By the time I buy the battery, a new regulator and a new charger I could have taken a riding class or two. Greater skills will make up for the 15 lbs.

    When playing optimization games there is a point of diminishing returns. I can replace a lot of the really big hardware with titanium and I would save a lot of weight. I will also be sitting home with no gas money. If I was a rich man I could skip all the camping gear and stay in motels and all the cooking gear and just eat out. I am not a rich man.

    I learned as a teenager that one can do all sorts of things to make ones pack lighter but do the wrong things or too much and the trip won't be any fun.
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  8. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    I just carry a small Vice grip. A good one. Didn't cost no $109

    Edit: just looked it up on amazon, $11.
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  9. markinthailand

    markinthailand Long timer

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    THIS.

    This might be obvious, but this is exactly correct. EVERYONE ha a different criteria for optimizing, and where their personal diminishing returns lie. When I was a broke teenager, I got job at Eastern Mountain Sports mostly to get the discount for climbing gear. Now, I'm not broke, but have two kids in college, but some more money and a LOT more experience. So when the wife and I were backpacking a section of the AT this summer, I got some ultralight gear I've had my eye on. It was expensive, I won't use it all the time, but I'm sick of making do and carrying heavy shit on the trail. That was worth it for my trade off. AND I can use it moto camping.

    The best part of ultralight gear is you have more space to carry fine bourbon. :-)

    But my toothbrush is intact.
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  10. wvshoem

    wvshoem Been here awhile Supporter

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    About to start my third season with this tent. It has held up quite nicely so far. Highly recommend. Also highly recommend trying to find one on sale as they are not inexpensive.
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  11. sphyrnidus

    sphyrnidus born to ride

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    It’s not only having the money. Some people like to camp. My wife hates motels and wants to sleep out door and also she likes to cook her own food instead of restaurant food. Of course that saves us money so we can stay away longer.
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    Zubb he went that-a-way... Supporter

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  13. david61

    david61 Queue, a word with 4 silent letters....

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    Score!, keep that wife.

    Way back in the day, prior to marriage/kids blah blah, the good wife and I spent about 2 1/2 years on the road, backpacked USA, Europe, Middle East and so-on. Never, ever complained about how sketchy it got sometimes. But now? It's nice hotels all the way, and I'm cool with that, and she's happy for me to tootle off regularly and live like a caveman.
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  14. ex-xt

    ex-xt Been here awhile

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    Nice useful post mates .
    For a major ride ? The same than for the little ones in fact, except more papers and maybe medecine.
    Of course trail stuff is THE thing : clothes, sleeping bag, tarps, cooking gear ( little used) and, guys, practice too.
    Starting with two same bikes ; do not take TOO MUCH spares. But share big tools : vice clamp, tube stuff, filters .
    And imagine the other countries' mechanics are good too, sometimes better for solutions in " retrired places".
    What I will try is to stay under 15 kg.
  15. david61

    david61 Queue, a word with 4 silent letters....

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    Trailstar tarp + carbon pole and pegs 600g
    Custom quilt 430 gms.
    Self inflate sleeping mat 550 gms
    Trail Designs Caldera cooking setup 350 gms
    Borah bug bivy 170gms

    Might change to an MLD Cricket in silnylon, bit the main aim is to get/keep the 5 big things under 2kg in total, and get it in/strapped to, a 20l or so compression sack. Just keep chipping away at everything.

    Currently in brutal reworking toiletries and first aid kit
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  16. ex-xt

    ex-xt Been here awhile

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    If i travel alone, i will not bring a compressor, two I will and keep my old pump anyway. Here is the point .
    To keep the balance between
    more useful stuff vs
    less double matérial.
    But obviously , trying and practicing is necessary .
    One thing i will carry anyway on any trip further than a few k' is a water filter . a katadyn of the right size.
    save my a...s twice at least
    - once during a smallpox epidemy in Tanzania in 80 , with a bad wound on my knee .
    - once to stay coool just after the tsunami of 04' in India ; before the 72 h time to move .
    one another thing I had learned is : Be ready to leave your bike and walk .
    SO be enough fitted to do it . No matter the material .
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  17. david61

    david61 Queue, a word with 4 silent letters....

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    First aid kit. Couple of weeks on the road.

    Tweezers, safety pins
    1 big/small gauze pads.
    4 x Fabric Tough Band-aids 6x10 cm to cut to size
    Leukoplast tape
    Latex gloves
    Scalpel blade
    Alcohol wipes x 4
    Paracetamol x 6
    Ibuprofen x 6
    Antihistamine x 6
    Imodium x 6
    Pepto bismol x 6
    Triangular bandage
    Emergency blanket

    Few things around the bike do double duty, Shemagh, tentpoles, groundheet as splint for example.

    187gms in a heavy duty Ziploc bag. As it's First Aid only, this I consider enough to limp me or someone else along to proper medical attention. I may add snake bite bandage, I do live in OZ.....
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  18. david61

    david61 Queue, a word with 4 silent letters....

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    Toiletries [ I'll probably smell a bit whiffy ]

    Toothpaste, kiddies size 1/2 squeezed out.
    Combination toothbrush/pick
    Small pack baby wipes [ Wipe face, then groin, the order is important.... ]
    1 x Zinc tube
    1 x Sunscreen tube
    1 x lip balm tube
    1 x small soap bar
    Small bottle antiseptic wash.
    1 x decent disposable razor
    Disposable ear plugs.

    Toilet paper is separate, ass-wipe/blow nose/clean visor/camera/phone....

    170 gms in heavy duty Ziploc bag, I usually run 4-5 days in the bush and then have the major tidy up in campground or small town pub.
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  19. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    I thought ozzies just carried some salt, pepper and a skewer to deal with snakes?
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  20. taylor

    taylor Adventurer Supporter

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    I think I married her sister.
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