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The BAM Road - ultimate test of man and machine

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by Colebatch, Dec 14, 2009.

  1. RDT953

    RDT953 Been here awhile

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    Books are heavy, any chance of a Kindle version? I know the glossy pics will be lost but for take along reference material it would still be good to have the electronic version.:deal
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    rgiroux Invisible Man Supporter

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  3. 6USMC6

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    Walter -
    Since it's printed in the USA, is there any chance of purchasing it locally? If nothing else, it would save part of the shipping.
  4. Vamartha

    Vamartha Lost in ADVRider

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    While I wish it was I don't think so.

    It is on Amazon for $88.30 USD - holy toledo! Free super saver shipping which in my case always means the item takes a trip around the world before it comes to my house - but still - almost $90 for a book.

    I'm a reader. But $88 is way outta my league for a book - no matter how much I like the author - and I'd love to read it Colebatch but I'm going to have to wait for the library version.
  5. Colebatch

    Colebatch "Moto Porn"ographer

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    Prices are unfortunately things that cant really be helped. The problem is in making a VERY low volume, large format book with lots of colour pictures. Each one of those factors makes it very expensive. Its not a universal consumption book that can sell 50,000 copies and retail at GBP 19.99.

    It was suggested I do it like most of the other adventure motorcycling books out there, small format, black and white, just a few pages of pics, much less text, much more general thoughts than specifics to help it appeal to as wide as possible an audience and done it for a normal adventure motorcycling book price of about 15 quid. But the pictures are such a big part of the story. To not do a book with those pictures in it kinda isnt the result I was looking for. Even if it means only 100 books sell instead of 1000. Its a specialised book covering a specialised topic and the landscapes and images are, to me, a part of that uniqueness.

    The sad reality is the adventure bike market is small ... really small. A top selling ADV book, like the new book in the Haynes series - Great Adventure Motorcycling Routes book is going to sell 10,000 copies or so - in bookstores around the world, promoted in magazines, 4th book in a well established series etc. Thats priced at 25 quid. For 264 pages. If a book like that sells 10,000 copies, then I am never going to sell more than a few hundred, at best.

    So for someone trying to make a book with loads of colour pics that might sell a few hundred copies if you are lucky, its not a viable economic exercise at any price less than what it is. As it is, no-one makes anything out of it, and loads of people have donated all their time for free. So when someone is unhappy with the price, they are effectively unhappy that the book even exists. Because it cant exist at a lesser price.

    The reality is some people will want to buy it, despite the fact that its not cheap. Not everyone, for sure, but some will. I know there are a lot of people who wont be able to afford it, but there is nothing you can do about it. As it is I am doing all I can. To buy it thru normal channels (even Amazon) it would cost a lot more,. By cutting out loads of layers and doing it direct thru Adventure Spec its a lot cheaper. Its a unique topic, full of unique information and experiences. I kinda hope that people who are prepared to pay 30,000 USD for a tour across Siberia would think that 49 quid ($75) for a unique insight and record as part of their preparation is not so unreasonable. So if even just a handful of people want to buy it, then its probably worth making the book. The hundreds and hundreds of hours that go into it will never be paid for. So you do it simply for the aim of sharing the experiences.

    Its really not a choice to make the book a 49 pound book. The only alternative was to not make the book in the first place.
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  6. stephen.stallebrass

    stephen.stallebrass Been here awhile

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    I understand the problem of low volume print runs, the small ADV market and that the pictures are a large part of the story. And I'm very glad you've made the book and not compromised on content. Likewise, I'm very happy that the book DOES exist. Indeed, it would be a unique, comprehensive and invaluable tool in planning my own trip across Russia, Mongolia and Siberia this year. I want to buy it, I really do, despite the prohibitively high price tag but for the time being, whilst I'm saving for my own Sibirsky Extreme Project I can't. I hope that people will buy it and I wish you every success. I'm sure those that can afford 30,000 USD guided tours can afford to pay it, but not me on my meager budget, not at the moment anyway...
  7. Gripforce

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    After reading the entire Sibirsky Extreme Project ride report start to finish, and buying the DVD, I am really looking forward to your book. It seems like the perfect compliment to a modern-day adventure. Colebatch you are a true inspiration to many. Hopefully the proceeds from the book will help finance your next adventure, and I want my purchase to help you on your way. Good luck in the Andes this year!!!
  8. potski

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    Hi Walter,

    Watched your DVD last night with a few friends and of course a few beers and good though it was, all present agreed that it was too short by far; such a shame. That’s not to say it’s not worth watching as clearly it is and the effort in getting the footage for filming these things under adverse conditions is both appreciated and understood. If the extras (your part) had a slightly rough edge to it then for me anyway it was a positive edge and only added to the atmosphere. I think it needs to be watched though with the extras as part of the feature in mind. In fact all present agreed that the extras were the better part.
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    Curiosity as usual has the better of me so whilst on I have to ask how did you manage the music, Dire Straights, Pink Floyd and was that Tears for fears singing along?
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    Not chirping up here to complain, more as to say a tad disappointed in the length as I was enjoying it and wished it had gone on for longer.... Ooh eer :wink:
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    I think you said somewhere yourself that you need to go with your gut feeling next time so very much looking forward to the next time.. Like all things it’s a learning curve.

    Cheers
    Potski :freaky
  9. sion

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    any chance of an e-book being made of it?
  10. Vamartha

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    Walter I understand the economics and I knew that the reason behind the pricing was a narrower market and the cost of publishing. I hope that I didn't offend you by my comments and sort of wish I had kept them to myself (I do that a lot - look at my post count and I log in almost every day). I was just lamenting that on a salary of about $20k that it was another one of those items that I'll only be dreaming about!

    My apologies. I've read every post you have made on ADV and I sincerely appreciate your reports.
  11. Colebatch

    Colebatch "Moto Porn"ographer

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    Thanks for the clarification, but seriously no offence at all ... I do acknowledge it isn't a cheap book, and I do wish it was cheaper and more accessible, so feel a bit of a need to justify it ... at least so people can understand that its not a piss take or money making venture. I really dont want it to be that expensive. The whole book thing is really just an effort to share this stuff in the form of presentable hard copy.

    Most of the people that asked me to put a book together did so on the grounds that there is nothing else like it out there. There are a small handful of books about guys travelling around asphalt roads on Harleys, and a small handful of books about guys travelling on 70-100% asphalt roads on BMW 1150s or 1200s, but only a very small number of books about off road biased light weight expedition type moto travel. The Mondo Enduro journals spring to mind, but there is not a lot in the way of photos in there or any of the other ADV books I have read

    I guess there food for thought in terms of making 2 books for subsequent projects ... a cheaper print only journal type book AND an expensive coffee table type book. Again it comes down to the question ... is there are market for it?
  12. Jettn Jim

    Jettn Jim This is Liv'n!!!

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    I appreciate the effort and your style Walter.... as for me I'm gonna look up the Adv Spec site now and order up a copy!

    Thanx alot,
    Jim

    Edit: Ordered :1drink
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    Without having yet read the book, though my order is in process, I know that anyone even thinking of riding the same areas as Walter would be a fool not to buy it, even if it was several times more expensive.
    And for those with no foreseeable plans for a biking trip in Russia, if you've ever enjoyed any of Walter's threads, and I certainly have, then perhaps consider the purchase price as a late payment for the stories you've already enjoyed, and with Walter throwing in the book now for free.

    There, this should settle everything! :D

    ktm950se
  14. motoreiter

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    Looks good Walter! Generally I only buy digital content these days, but I'll make an exception in your case...
  15. Owly

    Owly Into the Dark

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    +1

  16. rgiroux

    rgiroux Invisible Man Supporter

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    May never get to do the same travels, so next best thing is to read about yours and help support in my own little way. Book ordered and now I got to wait for it :lol3
  17. mikejohn

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    Gonna order my copy end of this month,:clap:clap:clap
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    I actually thought $88.30 shipped (Amazon Prime ftw!) wasn't really too bad of a price considering the fact that it's 370 pages with full color pictures and it's a low volume production run. Hell, I remember spending that on textbooks that were far less interesting! I've read the RR and seen the pictures that Walter posted herein, and I can only think that it would be that much better with all of his narration uninterrupted and the pictures interwoven. Looking forward to starting the read on Wednesday!

    Walter, thanks again for your herculean effort in sharing this amazing experience with us in multiple formats.
  20. Colebatch

    Colebatch "Moto Porn"ographer

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    for those who asked about an e-book ... its not something I have considered, but I will look into it. I don't know whats involved in making an ebook, and I dont know when I will have time to put into it. Possibly not before October.