The GS keeps getting Heavier...would you switch to a lighter bike like the KTM 790?

Discussion in 'Parallel World (790/890)' started by rforrester, Nov 8, 2018.

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Would you trade your GS for the new KTM 790 Adventure R? (and pocket a few thousand)

Poll closed Nov 18, 2018.
  1. Yes, I want a lighter bike and the 790 ticks all the boxes...

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    65.8%
  2. No, I want to keep my GS and possibly buy a new one.

    52 vote(s)
    34.2%
  1. rforrester

    rforrester Adventurer

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    First of all...I am NOT in the motorcycle business. I am just curious if I am the only one that is seeking a lighter bike. Don't get me wrong...my name is on the list for a new 1250GSA, however, the new KTM 790 really checks all the boxes for me...would you switch? :lurk
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  2. lewisjr1

    lewisjr1 Long timer Supporter

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    Apples to Oranges, no pun intended. Put another way, different tools for different jobs.

    No one wants to ride a small bike, two up, cross country, at highway speeds.

    Me, I'd take the latest Husqvarna 701 Enduro. This thing is brilliant! But I ain't sellin' either of my GS bikes.
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  3. x32792

    x32792 Cracker American

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    My 1200 GS LC is my first ever BMW. She's a big old gal, but it's like a big stick of butter. The idea of a lighter bike is attractive, BUT not if the seat height is 37"

    EDIT....BUT wait! There may be hope for the vertically challenged: The KTM 790 Adventure ‘Standard Model’

    KTM also announced a new more touring oriented “Standard” model that sits next to the 790 Adventure R in the lineup. The 790 Adventure boasts a nearly 2-inch lower seat height (32.7″), road-oriented tires, bigger windscreen and less suspension travel (7.9″/7.9″). We expect the 790 Adventure to be a more approachable, confidence-inspiring adventure machine that will still retain much of the off-road capability of the 790 Adventure R. While the KTM 790 Adventure R is designed for those that are looking for a no-compromise off-road machine for more challenging terrain.

    Full article here: http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/ktm-790-adventure-specs-announced/
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  4. KDXRC51

    KDXRC51 Been here awhile

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    +1 on the above post, depends on what type of riding you plan on doing. I’m definitely looking for a lighter bike to travel on. If I didn’t have a HP2 Enduro to go along with my GSA, I would definitely look at the 790 ADV R more seriously. In my opinion the GS is gearing more and more towards road use. Yes, I get it, people still ride the GS/GSA on dirt, as do I, but honestly I feel the KTMs are better suited for someone who does more dirt riding, while the GS/GSA is better suited someone who rides more pavement. I know a lot of people probably don’t agree but that’s their opinion, this is mine.
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  5. x32792

    x32792 Cracker American

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    Both KTM 790 Adventure and 790 Adventure R models are set to hit North American dealerships in spring of 2019. Pricing for both models is yet to be announced.

    KTM 790 Adventure Specs (Standard and R Model)
    ENGINE TYPE: 2-cylinder, 4-stroke, DOHC Parallel twin
    DISPLACEMENT: 799 cc
    BORE / STROKE: 88 / 65.7 mm
    POWER: 95 hp (70 kW) @ 8,000 rpm
    TORQUE: 64.9 ft-lbs (88 Nm) @ 6,600 rpm
    COMPRESSION RATIO: 12.7:1
    STARTER / BATTERY: Electric /12V 10Ah
    TRANSMISSION: 6 gears
    FUEL SYSTEM: DKK Dell’Orto (Throttle body 46 mm)
    CONTROL: 8 V / DOHC
    LUBRICATION: Pressure lubrication with 2 oil pumps
    ENGINE OIL: Motorex, Power Synth SAE 10W-50
    PRIMARY DRIVE: 39:75
    FINAL DRIVE: 16:45
    COOLING: Liquid cooled with water/oil heat exchanger
    CLUTCH: Cable operated PASC™ Slipper clutch
    IGNITION / ENGINE MANAGEMENT: Bosch EMS with RBW
    TRACTION CONTROL: MTC (3-mode, disengageable, rally mode*)
    FRAME: Chromium-molybdenum-steel frame using the engine as stressed element, powder coated
    SUBFRAME: Chromium-molybdenum-steel trellis, powder coated
    HANDLEBAR: Aluminum, tapered, Ø 28 / 22 mm
    FRONT SUSPENSION: Standard WP-USD Ø 43 mm; R Model WP-USD Ø 48 mm
    REAR SUSPENSION: Standard WP shock absorber; R Model WP PDS shock absorber
    SUSPENSION TRAVEL FRONT/REAR: Standard 7.9″/7.9″ (200/200 mm); R Model 9.5″/9.5″ (240/240 mm)
    FRONT BRAKE: 2 × radially mounted 4 piston caliper, brake disc Ø 320 mm
    REAR BRAKE: 2 piston floating caliper, brake disc Ø 260 mm
    ABS: Bosch 9.1 MP (incl. Cornering-ABS and offroad mode, disengageable)
    WHEELS FRONT/REAR: Spoked wheels with aluminum rims, 2.50 × 21″; 4.50 × 18″
    TIRES FRONT/REAR: 90/90-21″; 150/70-18″
    CHAIN: X-Ring 5/8 × 1/4″
    SILENCER: Stainless steel primary and secondary silencer
    STEERING HEAD ANGLE: Standard 64.1°; R Model 63.7°
    TRAIL: Standard 107.8 mm; R Model 110.4 mm
    WHEEL BASE: Standard 1,509 mm; R Model 1,528 mm
    GROUND CLEARANCE: Standard 9.2″ (233 mm); R Model 10.4″ (263 mm)
    SEAT HEIGHT: Standard 32.7″/33.5″ (830/850 mm); R Model 34.6″ (880 mm)
    FUEL TANK CAPACITY: approx. 5.3 gallons (20 liters)
    DRY WEIGHT: approx. 417 lbs (189 kg)
    SERVICE INTERVALS: 9,320 miles (15,000 km)
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  6. phuzzygnu

    phuzzygnu Been here awhile

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    My GSA is my default bike. I also have a go-fast bike. There's room in my garage for more. Luckily monogamy isn't required in the motorcycle world.

    The Husky 701 is ticking a lot of boxes for me right now. [​IMG]
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  7. Bill-66

    Bill-66 I don't even know... Supporter

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    The average buyer, keeps begging BMW to build the GS/A as more of a road bike/RT crossover, as they have no interest in riding the bike on anything less than fresh asphalt.

    Fixt for you.. :lol3
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  8. Beairmo

    Beairmo Keeping it real Supporter

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    With the R12GSA I can literally ride 20+ hour days across country anywhere the road takes me.

    With the 790 I would be forced off the interstate and be inclined to trailer the bike to the "good stuff". I know because I had the F800gS and it really wasn't highway material (for me).

    Yes, the 790 would make the hard stuff easier and might even get me places the R12GSA won't have a chance of going. But we have to pick our battles. I have a 450 to get my trail riding fix and save the GS for the roads less traveled (key word ROAD). And where I take the 450 the 790 would be worthless. Thats my .02 on the subject.

    PS: the 790 looks AWESOME and if I could only have one bike it might be the one.
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  9. mmaiers92

    mmaiers92 Been here awhile

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    Why did they have to complicate and make the GS heavy.... wish I could get a newer version of my 1150
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  10. Bill-66

    Bill-66 I don't even know... Supporter

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    Fixt for you..
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  11. x32792

    x32792 Cracker American

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    ^^GS has to be made more complex (and heavier) w/ more stuff to justify ever higher price and profit margins. That said, they do now make the F850GS which I have ridden...Nice, but it ain't shaft drive.
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  12. KDXRC51

    KDXRC51 Been here awhile

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    The reported weight of the 850 is too close to the 1250 to make it worth it, and the price is also way too much.
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  13. x32792

    x32792 Cracker American

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    ^^Now consider the higher COG and no shaft drive of the F850GS and it's not a contender if you're currently on a 1200GS LC...And neither is the 1250.
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  14. mmaiers92

    mmaiers92 Been here awhile

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    Seriously... everytime i find out about some $2000+ part thats not serviceable on tje new ones....
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  15. KDXRC51

    KDXRC51 Been here awhile

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    That and the front forks, I previously had an 800GS, I would go for the 790 over the 850
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  16. x32792

    x32792 Cracker American

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    ^^Forks on new 850 dive when braking.
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  17. rtrider

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    very much this... I really wanted to love the 850 but it is way to close to the 1200 in weight - and price. I picked up my fully loaded 17.5 rally for 17500 new as it was sitting on a dealer floor in July of '18 - which is basically how much they're asking for the new 850 similarly equipped.
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  18. KDXRC51

    KDXRC51 Been here awhile

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    I know it’s been said before, but I would like to see bmw make a 800GS that’s a boxer/shaft drive, 1200 front suspension.
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  19. x32792

    x32792 Cracker American

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    Back to the 790 'Standard.' Nice trick with the gas tank(s) to lower the GOG, but is anyone concerned laying it down on what I assume are plastic gas tanks would be both dangerous and expensive to repair?
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  20. Beairmo

    Beairmo Keeping it real Supporter

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    At one moment in time I had the 800, 1200, and 1600 in my garage. And the 1200 was way lighter feeling than the 800. Both riding and pushing around in the garage.

    If you are all bent up about weight, get a DRz 400. The 790 will feel lighter but in the end, just be another BIG bike that keeps your from going where you really want to go.

    [​IMG]
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