The KTM 690 Enduro Thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by neepuk, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. Anders-

    Anders- 690R

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    I dunno about that, I'm sure the ecu will compensate to some amount - but if it did the job 100% there would be no reason for ktm to provide a different mapping when one is purchasing their open airbox cover?

    From https://www.ktm.com/se/powerparts/e...el=F9703R8&category=KE3-16007255/KE4-16007257
    "For perfect function, the special tuning/mapping (included) and the Akrapovič EVO exhaust (not included) are required. The tuning kit calibrated specifically for the bike generates more torque and a perceptible increase in performance. Complete with open air filter box cover. Only for the racetrack."
  2. sprouty115

    sprouty115 Long timer Supporter

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    I think the only way to settle this is with a dyno run...
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  3. Anders-

    Anders- 690R

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    Is this a viable excuse to go out and buy some new bikes? :lol3
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  4. NoelJ

    NoelJ Long timer

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    LOL. I bought one right after I watched the video. If I like it, I'll certainly buy a second....sorry man. I have the same illness.
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  5. 222k km adv bike

    222k km adv bike Been here awhile

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    Hi, ecu will compensate enough for afr ratio, but not for better perf all along the curve. Without evo 1 map, the 4-5 hp you gain in the low range are lost on top end revs. The evo1 map is an average improvement all along the curve, supposed to work good enough for any weather/temp/altitude conditions, so it's not "max perf" oriented. Look at the chart. Since end 2018, and for sure 2019, ktm and husky (French) dealers are not allowed anymore to load any perf alternative map. And for 2019 ktm enduro/smc, there is no evo map available including modes 1&2 and TC. I know one dealer who loaded a duke evo map on 2019 smc, lost 1&2modes and TC, and deleted automatically during next service due to ktm official tool.
    The last remaining solution is to set a piggyback device like a Pc5.
    This way you can open more the air intake, choosing either a short intake hose that will resonate high = max flow at high revs, or a longer one with low resonance for low revs = low end power. Oem airbox is again an average.
    The resonance phenomenon is the same for the exhaust, like an organ pipe : big / long = low end power, short = high revs power. Depends on the design, but some mufflers with cat, as they reduce the flow speed, can enhance the torque by maximising the low resonance of the flow.
    Its quite like suspensions, high speed big jumps settings, low speed hard enduro / step climbing settings, or average...
    701-690 tuning dyno charts.jpg
  6. Bhart89

    Bhart89 Long timer Supporter

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    Is that RWHP? 80+hp :hmmmmm
  7. 222k km adv bike

    222k km adv bike Been here awhile

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    No, I don't think it's at rear wheel, should be at the crank shaft, same as manufacturer's communication, last 690 engine with no modifications has 74-75 hp. Note that every bike has been tested with a rear street tyre, no knobbies (I think you loose 5 to 10% power with knobbies on the dyno).
    So 3 to 5 more hp in the midrange with open airbox + exhaust, and 10 to 11hp with pc5 and proper mapping on top of this (fuel and ignition advance I presume). I should buy a pc5...
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  8. a_ron

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    I’m having an issue with my 2009 not starting without the bike in neutral even with clutch pulled in. Can find a solution online.
  9. AllSeasonRider

    AllSeasonRider Wandering, maybe a little lost...

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    If it will keep running when you put in gear after you've started it, it sounds like a bad clutch switch. If it dies when you put it in gear it's most likely a side stand switch.
  10. a_ron

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    Definitely the clutch switch but I can’t even see where it’s broken or if it’s possible to just bypass it.
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    222k km adv bike Been here awhile

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  12. Hosebag

    Hosebag Difficult but Useful

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    Need some help.
    Can’t get the sidestand spring back on my 690.
    Who’s got a ‘technique’?
  13. Anders-

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    Hook it up on the top side, loop a thin rope between bottom hook and the kickstand foot - use a small rod to twist the rope and tighten it, just push hook into position once it’s more or less in the right place.
    And don’t forget the safety glasses when working with springs :-)
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  14. bpowa

    bpowa Been here awhile

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    i used a needle nose vise grip and yank.. or you can buy a 20 dollar hook tool.
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  15. a_ron

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  16. woodzrider

    woodzrider Long timer

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    I use a brake spring tool. For the springs used to hold drum brake shoes. If you remember drum brakes.."...
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  17. AllSeasonRider

    AllSeasonRider Wandering, maybe a little lost...

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    Brake spring tool for drum brakes is either needle nose pliers or a pair of cutting pliers :)
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  18. a2zworks

    a2zworks Trust me, I'm Pablo

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    I have always been able to put the spring on and then the bolt will go on without too much effort using the stand itself as a lever.
  19. s.ga.rider

    s.ga.rider Been here awhile

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    Does anyone have a part number and how to for a better o ring for the clutch slave? After reading about all the failures, I want to replace it before a trip next month. Not wanting to spend the money on the oberon right now.
  20. Zuber

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    I have the size for a 950/990, but not sure it's the same for 690's.

    You may have to just pull it down and mic it. Inside diameter (on the piston) and thickness (slot width on the piston). Then go to McMaster Carr and order. A viton compound would hold up better to oil and brake fluid.