The KTM 690 Enduro Thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by neepuk, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. Steinarsv

    Steinarsv Adventurer

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    So, i just got my 10' 690 Enduro, and want to do somethinh with it. Anyone got good tips regarding maps?

    Kinda like the silence of the stock muffler, but will probably change it, and go full retard.
    Used for enduro riding.

    Know my way around tuneecu.
  2. 222k km adv bike

    222k km adv bike Been here awhile

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    Most of data come from reading pirate racing dyno charts (>20) testing alternatives on 701 & 690, enduro smc vitpilen and duke. Consistent with other data charts found on forums or youtube dyno (apart scale adjustments).
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  3. wbbnm

    wbbnm Long timer

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    How does one access and interpret O2 sensor data. I recently went thru an exhaustive poor-running troubleshooting exercise on my 2013. I saw that TuneECU displayed O2 sensor data, but the numbers varied all over the place. I ended up disabling the O2 sensor when I rewrote my igniition map.

    I suspect that the variability in the numbers was due to the fact that the O2 data varies a lot in the course of a firing cycle and the ECU is only sending random samples to TuneECu.

    (I also saw the same variability with the MAP sensor data. I have checked the MAP sensor with an oscilloscope and saw that it indeed vary with crankshaft position.)

    If I could gain some info from it, I could also look at the O2 data with the scope.
  4. Anders-

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    How to read data from the o2 sensor? No idea, unfortunately.
  5. Zuber

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    For low rpm gains, look to the Arrow full system. 4-5 hp gain at 3-4000 rpm.
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  6. AllSeasonRider

    AllSeasonRider Wandering, maybe a little lost...

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    Anyone use a Twalcom rally fairing? I'm digging how minimalist they are...
  7. JPA

    JPA Been here awhile

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    Power parts airbox lid or modified stock lid doesn't make it run lean (at least 2014-2018 models).
  8. sprouty115

    sprouty115 Long timer Supporter

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    Sorry, I missed this when you posted it. But you are right, they are now saying that even with modifications to intake and exhaust, the ECU will compensate. This is definitely different from recommendations for earlier bikes, so obviously there have been improvements in the mapping software to allow for this. Considering the lack of ability to re-write our own maps this is certainly good news.

    In the future though, please refrain from posting videos like this, as my wallet isn't capable of staying closed after so much motorcycle porn and a few beers...
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  9. Anders-

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    I dunno about that, I'm sure the ecu will compensate to some amount - but if it did the job 100% there would be no reason for ktm to provide a different mapping when one is purchasing their open airbox cover?

    From https://www.ktm.com/se/powerparts/e...el=F9703R8&category=KE3-16007255/KE4-16007257
    "For perfect function, the special tuning/mapping (included) and the Akrapovič EVO exhaust (not included) are required. The tuning kit calibrated specifically for the bike generates more torque and a perceptible increase in performance. Complete with open air filter box cover. Only for the racetrack."
  10. sprouty115

    sprouty115 Long timer Supporter

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    I think the only way to settle this is with a dyno run...
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  11. Anders-

    Anders- 690R

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    Is this a viable excuse to go out and buy some new bikes? :lol3
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  12. NoelJ

    NoelJ Been here awhile

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    LOL. I bought one right after I watched the video. If I like it, I'll certainly buy a second....sorry man. I have the same illness.
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  13. 222k km adv bike

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    Hi, ecu will compensate enough for afr ratio, but not for better perf all along the curve. Without evo 1 map, the 4-5 hp you gain in the low range are lost on top end revs. The evo1 map is an average improvement all along the curve, supposed to work good enough for any weather/temp/altitude conditions, so it's not "max perf" oriented. Look at the chart. Since end 2018, and for sure 2019, ktm and husky (French) dealers are not allowed anymore to load any perf alternative map. And for 2019 ktm enduro/smc, there is no evo map available including modes 1&2 and TC. I know one dealer who loaded a duke evo map on 2019 smc, lost 1&2modes and TC, and deleted automatically during next service due to ktm official tool.
    The last remaining solution is to set a piggyback device like a Pc5.
    This way you can open more the air intake, choosing either a short intake hose that will resonate high = max flow at high revs, or a longer one with low resonance for low revs = low end power. Oem airbox is again an average.
    The resonance phenomenon is the same for the exhaust, like an organ pipe : big / long = low end power, short = high revs power. Depends on the design, but some mufflers with cat, as they reduce the flow speed, can enhance the torque by maximising the low resonance of the flow.
    Its quite like suspensions, high speed big jumps settings, low speed hard enduro / step climbing settings, or average...
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  14. Bhart89

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    Is that RWHP? 80+hp :hmmmmm
  15. 222k km adv bike

    222k km adv bike Been here awhile

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    No, I don't think it's at rear wheel, should be at the crank shaft, same as manufacturer's communication, last 690 engine with no modifications has 74-75 hp. Note that every bike has been tested with a rear street tyre, no knobbies (I think you loose 5 to 10% power with knobbies on the dyno).
    So 3 to 5 more hp in the midrange with open airbox + exhaust, and 10 to 11hp with pc5 and proper mapping on top of this (fuel and ignition advance I presume). I should buy a pc5...
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  16. a_ron

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    I’m having an issue with my 2009 not starting without the bike in neutral even with clutch pulled in. Can find a solution online.
  17. AllSeasonRider

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    If it will keep running when you put in gear after you've started it, it sounds like a bad clutch switch. If it dies when you put it in gear it's most likely a side stand switch.
  18. a_ron

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    Definitely the clutch switch but I can’t even see where it’s broken or if it’s possible to just bypass it.
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  20. Hosebag

    Hosebag Difficult but Useful

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    Need some help.
    Can’t get the sidestand spring back on my 690.
    Who’s got a ‘technique’?