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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by knine, Oct 23, 2018.
This one needed rescue. Not a fan of those risers or engine guards, either.
If you decide to sell the pannier rails, I may be interested. If you're not, I'd still appreciate if you could shoot me a photo of what they are.
Since the panniers are the Triumph accessories ones I would imagine that the rails will be Triumph ones as well.
I put a 20 min test ride on the Speed Twin. I didn't buy it.
I Loved the motor.
The suspension was a disappointment after my 2018, Tiger 800 XCX.
My big issue, the foot peg position aggravated an old foot issue, that has not been an issue for years. I've been off the bike for about an hour. I still feel it.
There were cosmetic issues I could not get past. The most glaring, the bezels on the speedo & tach were cracked / chipped. I need to see beauty. Just how I am.
Loved the motor.
Time to look at the 1200 Scramblers I guess
I almost said the same thing yesterday !
Was this a pre-owned bike? Just curious how the bezels on the gauges were chipped. Also, can you elaborate on the suspension disappointment? Too soft, wallows in the corners? Too bad about the foot issue - amazing how ergonomics can affect the body. Likely a few mm another direction and it might have not been noticed.
Yes pre owned. Just under 10K on the ODO. The bezels look like plastic left in the sun to long. The clear coat was yellowed and chipping. Chips, around 3 to 5 mm, all around both instruments were flaking off. I looked at the Triumph parts fiche. They are part of the speedo, ODO, Tach. The assembly showed not available. Other cosmetic issues. There was some white stuff dripping down the cases. I didn't try to scratch it off. The bike was not cleaned. The chain and sprockets appeared to be in good condition, but very dirty.
The suspension transmitted every bump and irregularity harshly through the front and rear. The old Tiger, with WP suspension, was a magic carpet. My BMW has ESA. The BMW is more plush and controlled, when set to "Hard".
Owning a couple GSA's, I'm of the opinion that "adventure bike" suspension spoils the rider quickly. And the new electronic ESA does so even more. When I would hop on the Ducati 999S, I'd immediately begin feeling every piece of grit on the road. Of course, a GSA and 999 are complete opposite ends of the bike spectrum.
Well, at least you know it's not the bike for you. Would suck to buy it and ride it for a few weeks and learn you didn't like it.
Sounds like the current owner doesn't pamper it too much. Not trying to knock Triumph, but this doesn't seem to be the first time I've read about cosmetic "wear and tear". Didn't the new generation of SpeedTwin/Bonny/Thruxton engine cases get pitted and oxidized with very little elemental exposure? Thought I read something about that awhile back...
Anyway, still an awesome looking bike, the Speed Twin. Still very high on my short list.
Well add me to the list of Speed Twin owners . Just bought a new one from National Powersports in New Hampshire. They had a bunch 0f 2020 Speed Twins on sale for $10,999 out the door except for registration in your own state. The number kept dwindling and was down to two so I jumped on it. It's red, picking it up sometime next week.
Sweet deal, congrats! I test rode a 2019 at a dealer and still remember how much fun it was.
Said goodbye to my ST today.. The difference between my 1000XR and the ST is just too much. I really do like the looks of the ST, and am kinda sad I sold it as I fell in love with her looks the moment I saw one in the flesh almost a year ago. The Speed Twin was the first bike I bought without actually test riding her.
I'm gonna test ride the new 1200Xc scrambler next Wednesday, to see how that compares to the ST.
Two years and I'm still very much enjoying it.
Had my ST for a year and still in love. I also own a Tiger 900 GT Pro and Street Triple, but the ST is my favourite. I'm lucky to live close to the Peak District National Park (Derbyshire, UK) so have the pleasure of regular bimbles exploring the pretty dales and historic villages. The torquey motor is just perfect for this kind of riding. Some ST mods on the horizon - first, a decat for a cleaner throttle response, then a seat mod to improve comfort . I'm usually out all day and the stock seat becomes uncomfortable after and hour or two. (Any recommendations on a UK specialist that can alter the stock seat welcome). Next will be suspension mods. Looking to improve the damping without sacrificing handling. If I can get these done, it will be pretty much my perfect bike.
Went to see a suspension specialist on friday and straight away checked tyre pressure. Book says 36/42 PSI. He says he regards that as "nearly dangerous" Drops them to 32/36 PSI on Pirelli Rosso III's 103kg rider.
What a difference. Bike feels balanced and front tyre not having a freak out on every bump and undulation at any speed. Brakes still cannot be nailed so...
K-Tech cartridge kit ordered for front and Razor Lites for rear. (Being a proper tart I wanted the ST2 with the separate gas and compression but really really spendy for a low-ish speed back road blaster)
Interesting comment on the tire pressures I'll have to try lowering them. I bought a new Speed Twin a few weeks ago and the suspension feels a little harsh on small sharp bumps not sure if this is normal since I'm used to riding an Africa Twin with much longer legs.
Beautiful bike there Tytan, congrats.
Im the same, other bike is a Crosstourer for 8years next month.
For my Speed Twin the fix for the "wayward front" as in completely lacking in confidence in it, was at the back. I have never in my life dropped 6PSI in a tyre but it worked. Bike never put a foot wrong in the 60 mile spank home on "freeway" and back roads. The bike used to take little prodding to feel horrible at the front in anything other than a straight line. Now gone.
Also these are cold pressures.
Had an interesting comparison ride this afternoon as I was out with a friend on his CB1000R and we traded bikes for a while I have ridden his CB in the past but not back to back with my new Speed Twin.
Things I noticed different on the Honda the riding position is almost the same the pegs felt slightly higher, the bike feels a bit more top heavy at slow speeds but this goes away as soon as you are moving the gearbox was typical Honda buttery smooth shifts, fit and finish is nicely done, the slow speed throttle was not as snatchy as the Triumph, the front suspension felt the same but the rear on the Honda felt very harsh it felt like the preload was cranked up too much I'm probably around 240 with gear so not the lightest guy. The power delivery was typical inline 4 decent low and mid range and the power comes on strong as you wind it out I found cruising between 50 and 60mph it felt buzzy I kept looking for 7th gear with no luck. The biggest annoyance was the mirrors they are useless without some extensions on them I had to take my left hand off the bars and roll my shoulder forward in order to see directly behind me. I know looks are completely subjective I find this particular model too transformer like for my taste, high rear seat, no real rear fender, breadbox sized exhaust and a small digital dash are not for me if I had to pick something from Honda it would be the CB1100 in RS trim if I could find one.
To me the Triumph seat felt slightly more comfortable, the gearbox is not as smooth as the Honda not annoying or agricultural just not as buttery smooth, the bar end mirrors are brilliant this is the first bike I have had with them and they work amazingly well no vibration and I'm not looking at my arm pits. What drew me to this bike originally was the engine the 1200 parallel twin is an absolute peach nice exhaust sound with the stock pipes the effortless torque from almost anywhere in the rpm range is addictive and is the biggest grin factor the Honda is probably quicker but the Triumph is a lot more fun to ride. Since I don't like the transformer styling of the Honda, or any of the Japanese offerings that look similar, Kawasaki, cough cough, the Triumph wins hands down to me it looks like a proper motorcycle, round headlight, two clocks, two rear shocks, and mufflers that are not the size of a small Nissan I think Triumph are doing a great job in the styling of their modern classic line and the fit and finish is equal to the Japanese manufacturers.
An aside regarding transmissions I was at a machine shop a few years ago and a customer dropped off some six cylinder engine cases for machine work immediate comment was Honda CBX but no it was a 900cc Benelli engine. The machinist pointed out the transmission section of the cases and noted how small this was for the engine size the reason being a six cylinder delivers power like a pitter patter where if this was a 900cc twin the power delivery would be thump thump which requires a heavier duty transmission to handle the bigger power pulses. I was thinking this is the case between these two bikes and probably why the Triumph transmission is not as smooth shifting as it's beefier to handle the thump thump instead of the four cylinder pitter patter.
Nice write up!
The Speed Twin is on my radar for a replacement for my Bonnie SE, but right now I am still in love with it especially after I did suspension and brake upgrades. The only Japanese bike that would be a better comparo to the Speed Twin would be the Kawai Z900RS.
Hmmm maybe an R or RS version !