The sidecar car thread

Discussion in 'Australia' started by Doonie, May 2, 2018.

  1. bully1

    bully1 Long timer

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    Not getting pissy, just that you have no idea or appreciation, if you can build one yourself, then go ahead, if you can't, then as suggested earlier, all that knowledge and skill comes at a cost.

    The 1400's built in the West do this sort of thing constantly.



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  2. tripodtiger

    tripodtiger Off riding around on bitumen circles.

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    I get Nerb's response. Looks like a bit of sarcasm in some replies, no matter how correct they are. The other side of that is that sarcasm is almost expected here.

    The only way to build a sidecar 'cheaply' is to do it yourself. So, not only practical skills of fabrication but, a good understanding of physics and mechanical engineering help. Knowing what goes into them, I can see the $10k in a well finished, well built sidecar.

    In a facebook group, there is a complaint from a novice who paid several grand for fitting an Indian sidecar to their bike. To say it wasn't done correctly, if the photos are to be believed, is an understatement. The experts that attached the sidecar refused to repay or re-do the job. What happened next, I don't know. Apart from the thing being said to be unrideable. That's all hearsay, of course.
  3. slowbike smallpenis

    slowbike smallpenis Tester of Tooheys Old

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    Ray have you still got the Tiger?
  4. tripodtiger

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    Yes mate.

    Just putting a few final touches to it before I see if the NSW Nazis will let me re-register it. I located the engineer's certificate and years and years of rego papers. I reckon I have to get a rear wheel from Leigh before it will pass, as that is shown on the certificate as standard. It's not urgent at all. The tough 250 will suffice for the moment.

    I am looking forward to finding somewhere to ride it. Lap of the state may be a good thing to do, between laps of race circuits.
  5. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    Not pissy at all.
    And, that Series 1 Flexit was originally mine; I imported it but also bought a Series 2 and sold the #1 in about 2001. It was built in about 1985.
  6. Hoots

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    That's a 20yo bike ...
  7. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    With a 35-year-old sidecar...
  8. JohnG.

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    Im still banned from talking about getting one... :D
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  9. stormsearcher

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    What would be a reliable set up for touring in Sandy tracks.
    Since DR650s are quite reliable and reasonable in Australia could a side car fitted to one be good for solo touring and crossing the Simpson or little desert/ big desert in Victoria?
    I am in love with the outfits now and want one for my Toy collection.
    I like the off-road oriented builds like the XT500 etc
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  10. Precis

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    As a multiple DR-carer (the fam currently has three), I think you'll find a sidecar overwhelms a DR, especially in sand. When stressed, they run hot and are essentially air-cooled; I think something water-cooled and with decent fans might be more the go. Just my $0.02's worth.
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  11. stormsearcher

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    So a XT660R. Water cooled set up might be a better option?
    I like the old 1150GS but again airhead.
    What bike in your opinion might be a good idea for the project please?
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  12. tripodtiger

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    Fingers crossed they'd be good.
    Weight & weight distribution.
    Rider technique.
    Tyre pressures.
    Clearance & potential hang ups.
    Gearing - not so low that it digs holes.

    KLR650, with a bit of attention to the engine?
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  13. Richarde1605

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    Milk crate?
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  14. tripodtiger

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    Anybody got a comment on these - Bullet Brake



    Jump to 2.30 if you already know how to measure a thread and screw a banjo bolt in.


    Do we think it fits the mechanical over hydraulic description or, is it just hydraulic?

    I'm having difficulty getting the park brake lever on mine in just the right spot so it actually works.
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    It's hydraulic, older ag bikes have mechanical over mechanical brakes and clutch systems.

    ;-)
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  16. tripodtiger

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    A mechanical latch on an hydraulic system, as per a trailer brake, is legal.
    So are the mechanical latches fitted to front brake lever on scooters.

    Mine is currently a mechanical latch on the foot lever for the hydraulic caliper of the sidecar brake. If it's not .00 perfect, it wont hold the bike still or, it's almost impossible to engage. It did work properly, when it was originally fitted. As it took some wear, yeah not so much.

    Calipers off quads etc will have a mechanical brake integrated. I think they are too wide.

    Essentially, a spike that could be put into the spokes of the front wheel, while seated, would suffice.
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  17. Precis

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    Not a clue: old-skool sidecars are beyond my ken - I had Flexits but they were awful in sand.
    From an engineering perspective you'll want a strong frame and likely a hefty sub-frame to create the 4 (or 5) mounting points. A leading link front suspension, steering damper and maybe a car-type rear rim to mount a car tyre & lower gearing; it all makes the use of a modestly-powered single-cylinder borderline in heavy sand and hot conditions. Happy to profess ignorance and bow to expert opinion!
    Phyllis to the courtesy phone...
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  18. stormsearcher

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    Thanks. I have a few friends who raced side car setups and probably can build me one with their knowledge and expertise
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  19. tripodtiger

    tripodtiger Off riding around on bitumen circles.

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    I think, when it's all said and done, if you take your outfit into sand it's a matter of how easy it is to recover.

    Beet posted (elsewhere), regarding the topic, that the old two wheel drive cars with narrow 25" or whatever wheels have been driven through sand long before 4wd was designed. And since. Tyre pressure, momentum and recovery.

    You'll need a winch and a land anchor, for sure.


    On that, shouldn't the winch be operated with the pull below the axle height?
    Or how about having it act on the tyre? ie, pulling the tyre over the contact patch.
    It much easier to move a bike up hill by rolling the wheel than pushing the whole contraption by 'bars or the back end.
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  20. leethal

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    Outfits and sand are not a good mix. 1wd just wants to turn towards the chair massively.....not just a little bit.
    2wd Ural will get through sand better but still not fantastic.
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