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Discussion in 'Australia' started by Eaglebeak, Jul 11, 2020.
If your listening over the net 2SER might be worth a listen.
I agree, but I don't think I'll ever understand why
I will listen to most anything with an appreciative ear.
Except country music, just can't get it.
The best country act is Buck Satan and the 666 Shooters.
You should give them a burl.
Hey you lot, go and discuss your music in the Friday music thread and leave this thread about tossers with loud pipes
PS: listened to Alex the Astronaut and Mr Blue Sky but still prefer ELO
Led Zed aint dead
Here is the answer to the problem of douche bags revving their bike @Eaglebeak
Ha, ha, ha !
Smart kid !
Earlier this year, word came down that the UK government was examining the idea of using noise cameras (basically speed cameras, but with a microphone instead of a radar gun). Now, there are reports the devices are undergoing real-world testing in southern England.
Noise cameras have been in testing in different areas for a few years now, most famously in western Canada, where some of the technology was developed. They’re intended to overcome the biggest problem with enforcement of vehicle noise standards: it’s rarely worth the authorities’ time to dedicate police or bylaw officers to chase down cars or bikes with loud pipes. Instead of having a cop on a corner with a microphone looking for loud pipes, these noise cameras are in place 24/7, constantly monitoring noise levels. When the device detects a vehicle that is making more noise than bylaws permit, it uses a camera to snap a shot of the offender’s licence plate, and mails a ticket to that address. Presto, noise problems solved—no more loud pipes!
Or at least, that’s the plan. When these were initially run out in tests in Canada, they weren’t legally sanctioned to hand out tickets. So, instead, they simply displayed the decibel level of offending vehicles. The outcome was predictable: motorists were coming from all over town to rev their engines in front of the camera, to see who was the loudest.
Well, the brains behind the UK testing have learned their lesson, and aren’t displaying speeds while testing the cameras in the south of England. Instead, Visordown says the cameras have this written on them:
“The purpose of this trial is to determine whether a system of this type is capable of detecting vehicles emitting excessive noise levels or being driven in a way which creates excessive noise. This noise camera is measuring traffic characteristics and noise levels for the trial. No enforcement action is being taken as a direct result of this trial. Data collected from the noise camera is subject to controls on access and processing, in accordance with General Data Protection Regulation principles. No information about drivers or vehicles owned will be obtained.”
Manufacturers Getting Serious About Noise
New and growing government regulation has gotten their attention.
There’s been a lot of discussion about motorcycle noise around the world. Parts of Europe seem to be most engaged on the topic with several federal, state, and local governments proposing and enacting new regulations on how loud a motorcycle can be. And if things remain unchanged for long, motorcycles may face a grim reality particularly in Europe, as well as many other parts of the world.
It’s clear that the motorcycle noise issue is not going to go away anytime soon. And, that means both motorcyclists and the industry have to do something about it before motorcycle noise becomes highly regulated.
The German publication Motorrad sees the increasing motorcycle noise regulation in Germany and Austria and is concerned. In an attempt to see what the motorcycle industry is thinking, they sent a questionnaire to motorcycle manufacturers asking the following questions:
Does manufacturer X plan to react to the issue of combustion motorcycles and volume and if so, how should that be done in practice?
Are there any short-term solutions from manufacturer X, e.g. with post-homologated exhaust systems?
Can manufacturer X imagine doing without the controversial flap exhaust systems in the future?
Does manufacturer X advocate a redefinition of the noise measurement range in the course of the upcoming Euro 5-B regulation, eg over a significantly expanded range of driving conditions? And if so, what should this measuring range look like in the future? – Questions to motorcycle manufacturers by Motorrad
And, the magazine has published the answers they received from the manufacturers. Some manufacturers respond directly to the questions while others take a more circular approach to answer Motorrad’s questions. Or they really don’t answer the question at all and use a lawyerly non-response.
BMW and KTM (as the representative of the ACEM (European Association Of Motorcycle Manufacturers) answer the questions more completely than the others. Perhaps it’s the fact that they are currently in the epicenter of significant motorcycle noise regulation.
BMW’s noise response
BMW says that the subject of “motorcycle sound and volume” is too complex for a simple answer. They point to aftermarket exhausts, unsocial driving behavior, or simply a high volume of motorcycles on a particular road. But they do go on to say that they are taking “…the reduction in noise emissions discussed by the legislature very seriously.”
With regard to short term solutions, BMW came right out and said that they need as much time as possible to react to legislation. They also suggest that the means of measuring motorcycle noise is also critical.
When asked about the “controversial flap exhaust systems” for the future, BMW thinks that the use of exhaust flaps is too “one-sided”. They say they already use flaps. But not just for noise. They use them to manage drivability, engine gas exchange behavior, and acoustics. To them, the flap is part of a system necessary for the bike, not just for noise. BMW also thinks its too early to talk about detailed technical solutions for a very quiet urban motorcycle mode.
Finally, BMW says that the manufacturers and the legislators are working on proposals to improve regulations for “Real Driving Sound Emissions”. This means BMW thinks that regulations should address different speed ranges as well as higher speeds and testing in all gears. BMW thinks that only tests that properly simulate the real use of a vehicle will provide noticeable improvements for the environment.
ACEM’s noise response
KTM’s CEO Stefan Pierer provided the response for the European Association of Motorcycle Manufacturers (ACEM). And ACEM provided some detailed responses to Motorrad’s questions.
When asked if ACEM is planning to respond to the internal combustion motorcycle noise issue, ACEM said they have:
“…drawn up some concrete plans to sustainable and timely measures to combat the volume problem.”
Further, they say that they are working closely with European legislators on issues that arise when motorcycles exceed legal noise limits.
That said, ACEM adds that some actions they are taking will have an impact but, “…today’s immediate problems need to be addressed as well.” ACEM then points their finger at aftermarket exhaust manufacturers and motorcyclists themselves to help solve the motorcycle noise problem.
Ultimately, ACEM says it will present its proposal for the ASEP 2.0 test procedure to the United Nations Economic Commission. Their proposal will address test standards that are more real-world oriented. Particularly, standards that are more representative of the driving conditions in real traffic.
In closing, ACEM says that it will be up to the legislative institutions to incorporate the new test procedures into European regulations. They particularly cite the upcoming Euro 5b regulations.
No other manufacturers provide significantly detailed responses to Motorrad’s questions. But most did say that that they are in line with ACEM’s position. And they acknowledge that motorcycle noise is a perceived problem that must be addressed.
Here’s to hoping that motorcycle manufacturers, aftermarket manufacturers, motorcyclists, and governments can work together to develop an acceptable solution for all involved. We can’t just change test standards to suit our whims. We need to tackle the issue head-on.
Read manufacturer responses
If you’d like to read all of the manufacturer’s responses, head on over and read the Motorrad article. Again, kudos to Motorrad for tackling the issue head-on and asking for the manufacturer’s intentions.
NSW have had noise cameras for many years, just mostly for trucks in built up areas. There was one in Woolgoolga at the base of a hill leading to a roundabout, where everyone complained of exhaust brake noise.
Was Harley's response "fuck off whinging old farts and Karen's"?
Their quiet electric bike!
Indian and Suzuki did not provide any answers at all, others - namely Ducati, Harley-Davidson and Honda - only sent short, not very meaningful blanket statements.
It is funny I read when electric cars were being first trialled decades back it was thought they were too quiet and pedestrians would not hear them coming so it was insisted a front speaker was added with some car sounding noise played to solve the problem. It would need to be a big speaker for a Harley.
Yeah, just not sure what sort of sound it should make.
Probably either the sound of someone farting, or a toilet flushing, would be appropriate.
There's a noise camera as you come down the hill on the solitary islands way into woolgoolga.Its supposed to get trucks using their exhaust brakes as they come into town.Its only a matter of time before its developed for all vehicles unfortunately
There is a way that it doesn't happen.