Total Control Training is Pennsylvania's new official state program manager

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by OfirMX, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. aa3jy

    aa3jy Been here awhile

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    "I’m thrilled to announce that Total Control Training, Inc. has been awarded the PA Motorcycle Safety Program contract for 2018. The five-year, $31 million program management contract is the largest of its kind in the nation. All of us at Total Control are both humbled and excited about the opportunity to add PA to our CA, military and civilian training portfolio. We have been amazed at the quality and attitude of the PA training community and look forward to working with them as we transition the state to our Total Control curricula for beginner, intermediate, advanced, 3 wheel and more.

    - Lee Parks"


    Ok..break it down for us..
  2. FJRSPORT

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    Wish I could...Let's just say that though it's a $31M contract, it does not mean that's what the contractor is making.
  3. aa3jy

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  5. ryder1

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    Is it TCT policy to send 1 instructor (of the 2 per class) home without pay if only 1/2 the class shows up for training? I know this is how the msf trainers had to deal with short classes.
  6. aa3jy

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    It is similar. The policy is based on the number of students who attend the first class. Since only one instructor is needed for the first class, as it's a classroom, they would inform the Site Coordinator if attendance is less than seven. If this is the case, then one of the two range instructors would be released from having to show up (usually a decision between the two range instructors). If there were more than six students who attended the first classroom but less than seven showed to the range then the two range instructors may stay and teach, or one could bow out and leave (without pay).
  8. FJRSPORT

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    I'm not arguing your point. But for all intent and purposes, the RFP is our working document (i.e. contract), and rose colored lenses will lead to different interpretations.
  9. outlaws justice

    outlaws justice On the Fringe

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    Based on your own numbers of classes taught and figuring two coaches per class and even being generous and paying $800 per class for coaching (Even though we know both coaches will not be teaching the entire class that is well less than $800,000 per year to pay the coaches. That still leaves over 5 million per year for other costs....
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    Navy Chief Long timer Supporter

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    Well today I decided that sitting around bitching about the lack of training available due to the lack of instructors isn't going to fix anything, so I am putting some skin in the game and started the process to become an instructor.
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  11. outlaws justice

    outlaws justice On the Fringe

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    No the RFP is the Request for Proposal and the bidders each submitted a proposal. The Final contract and the RFP are not the same thing.
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    [cynical]uh, but they aren't doing from the joy in their hearts either [/cynical]
  13. VX Rider

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    that is, and would be totally jacked up...

    so a person schedules to be at the course...and is then sent off with no compensation for that day.
    seems they should pay something for the sacrifice/commitment involved
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    you must be paid pretty well to be this defensive of the program and policies.... and I ask you to review your definition of 'rose colored glasses'

    I think you mean to imply the reader would want to REMOVE theirs ....in this instance
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    Sure, let’s go with that.
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    With regards to expectations and litigations, they are the same.
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    Sure, let’s go with that.