Total Control Training is Pennsylvania's new official state program manager

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by OfirMX, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. Luckycharms

    Luckycharms Been here awhile

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    That may be so, but as a Pennsylvania resident who got his class M license over a decade ago through the PAMSP BRC class, has taken the ARC every few years afterwards (they're free after all), and took the TCT curriculum ARC last year. The TCT course was head and shoulders above the previous offerings.
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  2. aa3jy

    aa3jy Been here awhile

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    Folks..though our MSP has currently disappeared we are still funding the PaMSP with our fees from m/c endorsements, m/c registrations and m/c learning permits.. I hope the Pa. legislatures don’t get it in their minds to raid this funding..though as I recall it was written into the original m/c safety sponsored bill that would have prevented this raiding for other underfunded priorities ...
  3. outlaws justice

    outlaws justice On the Fringe

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    YUP! I think you nailed it there Jim
  4. aa3jy

    aa3jy Been here awhile

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  5. Berchunis

    Berchunis Been here awhile

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    I was written in the legislation passed in the mid 1980's. Legislators would LOVE to grab those Rider training funds and publicaly bleat; "See, we balanced the budget this year, so vote for us".
  6. Tall Man

    Tall Man That which doesn't kill me...should run.

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    See page 621 (aka E41-3) of this PDF. It is Pennsylvania's 2020-21 Governor's Executive Budget (proposal) document.

    Under Homeland Security - Real ID is the Motorcycle Safety Education Restricted Fund. Both are under the umbrella of the Motor License Fund.

    For said Restricted Fund:
    $3.046M Actual (2018-19)
    $5M Available (2019-20)
    $5M Budget (2020-21).

    "Available" is the current fiscal year, which ends on 30th June 2020.

    Restricted Funds are just that: those with defined and limited collection and expenditure requirements.
    They may only be spent for very limited purposes related to the state appropriation. This designation should serve to protect the MSF funds that accrue but remain unspent until the State resumes rider training activities through relevant contract activity, etc.
  7. aa3jy

    aa3jy Been here awhile

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    So who’s left to bring back rider training here in Pa....MSF? They are the same individuals,trainers, management that ran it previously just the ‘same sheep in different clothing’..ie, Bobbie Carlson was involved with the Pa. program via MSF, Cape Fox.. and Lee Park’s ‘Total Control‘ .. Love to see new thinking with different people..not the same mantra with a different spin...

    Tried to contact ABATE of Pa. as they seem to have the pulse of what’s happening here in Pa. concerning mototorcycle legislation, etc....however no word back from them..
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    aa3jy Been here awhile

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  9. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    aa3jy Been here awhile

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    ...but they are not a licensing course..nor are they contracted by the State..besides personally paying for there course..one will also still be being paying into a State funded safety program that is currently inactive..
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  11. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    sure cost a lot. We don't have this BS in CO
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  12. AZbiker

    AZbiker Say hi to the bad guy

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    Pennsylvania's inability to run their own mandated programs is disgusting.
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  13. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    you mean you have to do the program to get an endorsement? Here you need to pass the weave-the-cones-and-shift test. Once ever.
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  14. AZbiker

    AZbiker Say hi to the bad guy

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    It appears so in PA. I was talking with a 16 year old from PA on a forum, and thought he just wasn't digging deep enough.

    So I read the PA laws, and they are ridiculous-especially for minors. If you are 16 and want to get your motorcycle license but don't have a car license, you are totally screwed right now. Not going to happen any way you slice it. I really hope a MRO brings some sort of suit against the State of PA for it.

    It's great inspiration for the "keep government small and simple" people though.
  15. Plaka

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    My personal opinion is that a 16 year old with no driving experience does not belong on the road on a bike. They have poor judgement, no experience and too much testosterone. Even a good course will not fully develop the defensive driving skills needed to keep one alive.

    Riding dirt, maybe a different story.
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    My personal opinion is that is a matter between the minor and the parents or guardians of that minor. I was just fine getting my endorsement at 16.
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    I started at 12, as did my brother.....we survived.
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  18. Luckycharms

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    Thank god you didn't draft the legislation when I was 16 and getting my class M license. I would have missed out on years of rider training riding with my uncle and his friends. They took me under their wing and taught me how to ride in a group, tour, and encouraged me to seek out advanced rider training. Neither of my parents are riders and would have never let me get my class M license at 16 had my uncle not volunteered to teach me how to rider properly. I would have probably ended up getting it sometime in my 20's, bought a bike by myself and hopefully learned enough not to kill myself.

    Seeing as the biker population is getting older and older we need to do everything we can to encourage younger riders to take up motorcycles as a hobby. Otherwise the OEM's will put out fewer and fewer bikes as sales dry up.
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  19. aa3jy

    aa3jy Been here awhile

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    Maybe a hybrid of training systems involved..part MSF, part Total Control and prove their ability to ‘get the job done ‘ here in Pa..
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  20. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Bregan D'Aerthe

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    There are a few states where you have to do the training class. It's a sweet deal for whoever is getting kickbacks to run the classes!
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