Total Control Training is Pennsylvania's new official state program manager

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by OfirMX, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. ryder1

    ryder1 Long timer

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2012
    Oddometer:
    8,237
    Location:
    SEPA
    Not really. The downside is limited classes and with corona but I think everyone came away either with a new skill or reminders of what to do.
  2. ryder1

    ryder1 Long timer

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2012
    Oddometer:
    8,237
    Location:
    SEPA
    Anyone in the know know what Pa is going to do this year?
  3. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Wow, that broke easy

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Oddometer:
    2,085
    Location:
    US, SE PA & Central ME
    Nothing good.
    Luckycharms and AZbiker like this.
  4. Norty01

    Norty01 Occupant

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2014
    Oddometer:
    3,276
    Location:
    CARLSBAD, CA, USA
    Ummmm, issue bullet proof vests?
  5. LOUFY034

    LOUFY034 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2020
    Oddometer:
    396
    Location:
    innawoods Appalachia
    Why? What haven't I been told about?

    There is nothing our state cannot screw up.
  6. Berchunis

    Berchunis Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2018
    Oddometer:
    304
    Location:
    Arizona
    Politicians would love to get that dedicated motorcycle training monies and tell everyone they balance the budget, ya' know.
  7. Norty01

    Norty01 Occupant

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2014
    Oddometer:
    3,276
    Location:
    CARLSBAD, CA, USA
    Just don't shovel snow...
  8. LOUFY034

    LOUFY034 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2020
    Oddometer:
    396
    Location:
    innawoods Appalachia
    OH I GET IT NOW!!
    Took me a reread, and a ponder.
    I saw that funny vid the other day, didn't happen too far east of here.

    But I dunno, he did exactly what she told him to do? She was very adamant about it.
    I'm thinking they have been harassing that fellow for quite a while from the video.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
  9. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Bregan D'Aerthe

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Oddometer:
    14,126
    Location:
    New England
    Scream and run around in circles with their hair on fire? :dunno
  10. bajaburro

    bajaburro Ancient Adventurer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,338
    Location:
    Huntington Beach CA
    And????????????
  11. Andyvh1959

    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2012
    Oddometer:
    4,877
    Location:
    Da frozen tundra eh? 1.5 mile west of Lambeau
    So far I think those are the only two states on the Total Control program. I've not heard of other states changing programs. Wisconsin is still fully imbedded with the MSF programs for the BRC, ERC, ARC. There was discussion years ago about developing an actual street skills course; instructors on their bike with the students on their bikes. But I would guess the liability issues constrained that idea enough to not fully develop.

    Britain does licensing much differently aside from a "Beginner" plate (which I think is yellow), there are stages for various bike engine sizes. To earn a license for each larger bike, the rider must repeat the training system, and then hire/pay a riding mentor who does various rides with the student before that person is authorized to gain the license. Then if the rider wants to progress again to the next larger/bigger bike, the rider must do it all again. Each time can cost well over $1500 to accomplish. We have it far too easy here in the US.
    Luckycharms likes this.
  12. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Bregan D'Aerthe

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Oddometer:
    14,126
    Location:
    New England
    I would no longer oppose tiered licensing.
  13. Jim Moore

    Jim Moore Ze, Zim, Zhey

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2001
    Oddometer:
    37,598
    Location:
    Jax, FL
    I dunno man. That UK program sounds like a grift to me. A make-work program for old know-it-alls.
    AZbiker and LOUFY034 like this.
  14. LOUFY034

    LOUFY034 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2020
    Oddometer:
    396
    Location:
    innawoods Appalachia
    Why? Why do we need tiered licensing?
    Why should someone have to pay some "special group" $1500 again and again to be able to ride their bike?
    I'd be damn pissed to have to pay this kind of money to take instruction from some nobody.
    Darwin sorts this all out just fine, and if you suck and still live your insurance costs will sort you out.

    Is this just to create more government mandated do nothing jobs?

    Who decides what the necessary skills are to attain a high level license then?
    I think being able to balance trials style on the bike you are riding on the street for 10 seconds minimum should be mandatory then.
    AZbiker likes this.
  15. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Bregan D'Aerthe

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Oddometer:
    14,126
    Location:
    New England
    I would no longer oppose a hard cap on power and displacement. I'm sick of stupid.
  16. LOUFY034

    LOUFY034 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2020
    Oddometer:
    396
    Location:
    innawoods Appalachia
    This is "Murica", you might want to move to a country more accommodating to your dislike of personal liberties.

    If you don't like powerful bikes that's fine, no one is making you purchase one.
    I love STUPID powerful machines, and little machines too. I don't discriminate.
    Motorcycles are fun.
    AZbiker likes this.
  17. aa3jy

    aa3jy Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2010
    Oddometer:
    145
    Location:
    Home Port: Kimberton, Pa.
    ryder1 likes this.
  18. LOUFY034

    LOUFY034 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2020
    Oddometer:
    396
    Location:
    innawoods Appalachia
    I see on the links you provided that TC will be conducting an ARC near me, but no dates are currently listed.

    Do you know what specifically is taught at the ARC?
    Is it like a Gymkhana setup type deal?
    I'm wondering if I could learn me a new thing there maybe?
  19. Tall Man

    Tall Man Well...the game is afoot.

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2007
    Oddometer:
    7,851
    Location:
    The Occident
    I'm with you in spirit. However, having taken an Advanced Rider's Course in April 2019, we needn't worry about "some nobody" being "who decides" what necessary skills we may or may not have. The two instructors running the classroom and riding course were very competent. Precious few questions or comments were offered by the students, myself included, if only because we recognized the professionalism and skillsets on display. It's arguably safe to infer that other ARC instructors were equally squared away.

    Provided the same or similar instructor vetting process was in place for any sort of stricter and/or tiered licensing that might be rolled out at the State level, the associated instruction and testing wouldn't be anything to worry about. The wise person doesn't ever refuse to consider his ability to learn more.

    I was tired at the end of the ARC that day, and I'd still have willingly come back for additional instruction if a multi-day course was on offer.
    Luckycharms likes this.
  20. AZbiker

    AZbiker Say hi to the bad guy

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Oddometer:
    8,151
    Location:
    Adjacent to Dog's waiting room
    You still haven't addressed the regressive taxation angle of tiered licensing.

    I prefer my messy, dangerous freedom.
    LOUFY034 likes this.