1. TowPro

    TowPro Single Track Geezer

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    I will try if internet access exists. I am traveling with a bunch of computer geeks (ever seen a picture of my GPS unit? :) ) so we should be able to find access.

    Last night I realized I am 50 and the old 1" thick sleeping mat ain't going to cut it anymore. Just got back from Cabelas with the 4" thick version :).

    Planning on leaving around 3:30 after I put in a couple hours of work from home (and pack my cloths).

    I am not as well written as some of the other guys around here, but I hope to start a thread in the Ride Reports section.
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  2. psalonis

    psalonis Been here awhile

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    Excellent! I can't wait.... Have a great ride Towpro, I'll be checking for updates. I'll be in Berlin the next few weeks, but if you are ready to share routes/tracks/notes, I'd like to try this route the 2nd week of July.

    :freaky Cheers,
    Pat
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  3. intothenew

    intothenew Briar Patch Navigator

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    Be careful, and have fun. Please add a link to the RR here so we can find it.
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  4. TowPro

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  5. TowPro

    TowPro Single Track Geezer

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    Ok, so most of you have already read that rain forced us to bail at Emporium. None of the Track files are color coded (sorry Rob).

    Since all these roads are open to the public, and I have so many request for my routes because other people want to ride them, I will post them at the bottom of this message.

    Currently we enter from the NJ route at the French Town Bridge. I ended up starting my route 30 road miles from this bridge. connector track is included.

    Day 1.
    We cut 50-60 miles off the route. I have included this skipped part in the file as well.

    Day 2.
    On the west side of the canyon, we had a problem. Delorme showed the road was open, garmin showed it was closed. Garmin had proven correct over Delorme several times during the day so we routed around it. the skipped part is also included.

    Day 3. We only made it to Emporium. Actual track to Emporium is correct.
    Delorme shows one of the actual route roads does not connect, but I proved it does so I made it connect in topo8 :) (Madmaximim is looking for time to test ride this).

    Day 4. From Moshannon State Forest to Greenwood Furnace State park. 150 miles, mostly stone/dirt. Route by Wiggus, test ridden by madmaximum.

    Day 5. From Greenwood Furnace State Park to Michaux State Forest. Looking for volunteers to design and test ride this last section.

    Just keep in mind, I want to be able to ride my Buell Ulysses and my biddies Vee Strome down this finished route. You can add hero sections, but mark them so big bikes can go around. I also made all my route "no locked gates, or roads closed to motor vehicle traffic.

    My future work:
    1) Rob and I have discussed a route that starts at Hancock NY and connects into the TPAT route at one of my existing campgrounds.
    This will allow riders to bypass the TNJT system if they want.
    I have this route mostly done and it might be my next test ride.

    2) When riders get to Quiet Oaks Campground in Crossfork, I plan on putting in a 4-6 hour loop. Riders will be able to leave the luggage at the campground for the day and ride a loop without the weight. I am twisting my buddies arm about helping with this loop because he knows where the hero sections can be added (and ways to get around them). :D.

    Please, Let me see the changes so I can keep the most up to date files on my website.
    Click Here

    Edit: Update 7/27/10
    I edited the doc above to reflect finished work.
    below is the link we are using to build the actual route.
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=594569
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  6. rdhj

    rdhj NJ Dual Sport Rider

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    Got your TPAT zip file and looking forward to riding the day 2 and three parts of it....how much of the route on those two days were on gravel or dirt roads? Any roads or trails with cumbersome boulders that would make for difficult riding on a big bike? Was alot of it forested?
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  7. TowPro

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    Day 2. You start out from the campground and go straight through Williamsport. Once you get up towards the grand canyon there was some stone. After the "look out" stop on the east side of the canyon, you will pass a couple dirt roads, I bet you could connect any of these with a GPS and and get back on the route south of Wellsboro. (that is a part I hope someone works on and gives me a more stone/dirt route).

    What happened is after trying to ride 200 miles on day 1, I shortened Day 2, and never looked real close at the new route. We ended up bypassing all that stone between the East side Canyon overlook and Wellsboro.

    After Wellsboro you start down the west side of the canyon on a skinny blacktop road, after winding around a while you make a RT (if I recall) onto stone and it goes on for a good distance. From here on out it could be stone almost all the way to Quiet Oaks.

    Day 3: I only tested to Empurium and that is mostly stone/dirt. All of the roads on day 2 and 3 go through the forest, even the blacktop ones. Day 3 is where we ran into hard packed dirt roads, that had a skim coat of mud that really slowed us down.

    If it's dry, the only one trail that was kind of scary on big bikes was at Mohonay city (tower road) in Day 1. But now that I know it's not leading to a giant mud hole it would feel easier. It could be tricky if muddy because it goes down a long gradual hill for around a mile.

    No roads were boulders. You could drive a car down most of them. We road this on a Buell Ulysses, F800GS, vee-strom 650 and 1000, and a R1200sx total street bike (we called it the GS Sport) with street tires. I would ride any of it again without thinking twice, if it's not pouring rain.

    It seems the roads in the state forest are better kept (more stone/less dirt) then the township roads.

    If you use either riverside campground and or Quiet Oaks campground, Be sure to tell you are following the trans PA motorcycle Trail. After a while they will start to remember us :D. Just call ahead to Quiet Oaks, they have different events that can fill the place up (snake hunt, rattlesnake Enduro, music festival, etc)

    Since you will be following a proven route you will move faster then we did.
    Many times we had to turn around because of missed turns or to find a different route.
    Next time I will try to be on the road by 9:00 instead 10:00.
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  8. rob23

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    Great work towpro! You da man!

    I combined all your files and renamed the tracks in order so you can get to all the info from one file. I also color coordinated the tracks.

    You can download my version of the file(s) here:

    Gpx: http://gpsroutebuilder.com/GPS/PA/TPAT/TPAT_v1.gpx



    I'll work on overlaying some routes over the tracks you have for those that perfer to navigate by route vs track.

    Seems like theres still some work to do. I'm most interested in connecting it at Hancock, NY.

    I'll be ridding down to Seneca Shadows, WV on 7/1 - 7/5 using some of this new route so we'll see how the Fz1 handles it.

    Thanks again,
    Rob
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  9. rob23

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    I don't see the waypoints for the campground in the file, can you add them please? :D

    Sometimes it's good to jump off a route/track and navigate to camp. :deal
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  10. TowPro

    TowPro Single Track Geezer

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    The tracks you downloaded from me are setup as a Track for each day.
    They all started and stopped at the campground we used.
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  11. rdhj

    rdhj NJ Dual Sport Rider

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    Anyone out there from NJ or close by want to ride this route with me in the next couple months...mostly interested in Day 3 where it goes through the national forest, so I'm game for running the highway to save time. or ride the whole thing from frenchtown NJ.....just dont like going on long rides alone.
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  12. TowPro

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    I just updated the zip file on my site. It now includes a short alternate track on day 2. This alternate track starts and finishes into the section I rode.
    this track will take you across Babb Creek as in this thread.
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464235
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  13. rob23

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  14. maverickma

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    Rob, I swear I've tried it on my own...and have searched google, but have had no luck. How do I get the gpx file onto my Zumo?
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  15. madmaximum

    madmaximum She said we're all idiots

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    Do you have mapsource? Open it in that and then transfer to your gps.
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  16. maverickma

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    I do have mapsource. So I just click on the link, let it open, and then transfer it? Is there some sort of transfer command under a drop down somewhere?
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  17. rob23

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    > Right click on the link
    > Save Target As
    > Download Gps file to your Desktop
    > Open Map Source
    > In Map Source
    > File Open
    > select Desktop
    > File Name: TPAT_v1.gpx
    > File Type Drop Down Select "GPS eXchange"
    > now the file will open
    > Plug your Gps into your Computer and turn it on
    > select the Transfer menu
    > Send to Device
    > check "Tracks, Waypoints, Routes"
    > Click Ok
    > The data will now download to your Gps

    Send me an email to: rob23 at GpsRouteBuilder dot com and I'll send you a nice Gps 101 doc.
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  18. maverickma

    maverickma Adventurer

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    Thanks Rob, email sent for the document. Thanks for the help. Wife and I have a handful of Garmins...hers for running/cycling....mine for everything else. This will come in handy.

    We're former NJ residents that just moved to PA last year, so I'm looking for good roads...both twisty and dirty.
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  19. LongCliff

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    Towpro,

    Thanks so much for putting this together! I know it has to be a lot of work.

    Just downloaded the gpx file. Can't wait to try out the route. :D
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  20. intothenew

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    I added a Tpat link and screen shot in the Tet thread. I linked to post 25.
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