Hi Pete I have no knowledge of how they got there from ORE. Certainly nothing to do with me. They dont even exist on ORE anymore. They are very old and were mapping experiments from many years ago when I was learning how to create routes. I dont care what you do with them as long as my name is removed from them so I dont get hassled by disgruntled members. Unfortunately we live in a society where people are always looking for someone to blame, they need to accept responsibilty for their own action. Sadly this is happening less and less. Like I said, I just do not want to be hassled by people who didnt like my route or hurt themselves or scratched their bike.