Trials/Trail Hybrids

Discussion in 'Trials' started by lamotovita, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna Supporter

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  2. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    Well now... so Beta has had one for a long time, you could get an aftermarket one for the Montesa but then they decided to go with the 4 Ride, and Sherco is now adding a tank to there bikes on top of the X-Ride, and TRS has the X-track...

    I wonder what’s next.
  3. motodojo

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    Seems to be the same seat/tank as the TY125 4 stroke. About $500.
    https://www.dherbeymoto.com/marchan...4055&page=piece&num_rub=6&type_recherche=moto

    Or this how about this?
    sherco seat.jpg
    They call it a Sherco seat but that's a Montesa. The website doesn't make much sense like the seat.
    http://maineiactrials.com/sherco-seat-and-fuel-tank/

    Here's my seat I made. Very plush and comfy. 8 inches wide over a HM seat/tank. Footpegs moved forward and looking to get the 4Ride shifter lever that moves it back and I lengthened the brake pedal. It's a whole new experience riding a trials bike with a comfy seat and riding position.
    monty 4ride.jpg
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    Looks nice in white
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    The 2020 4Ride looks great. Still not in the States I suppose.
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    Of course not. Nothing cool ever is.
  7. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    To bad I can't get one in the states...

    I can't say for sure I would have one if they where in the states but I sure as heck would do what I could to get one if they where...
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  8. jcone

    jcone Dream it Build it Ride it

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    Here’s my Trials/Trail hybrid I built 704E0999-0D43-48FA-8137-64721F3F45CB.jpeg E20099E6-ADC2-4885-98FB-6D770448CA04.jpeg 884EE83B-D453-4BAA-821A-6D7886BABD7C.jpeg
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    jcone Dream it Build it Ride it

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    356C464B-D13F-4136-928C-255C1E46A95A.jpeg One more pic of my 1965 Honda cub build project.
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    motobene Motoing for 49 years Supporter

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    motobene Motoing for 49 years Supporter

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    Aha, thanks. I see the same engine with the two bore choices:
    Piranha 125 and 140cc Engines.JPG

    Looks like manual clutch. How easy is the lever pull and is the slip/engage zone wide and consistent? Your low 52/12=4.33 sounds like it got you to a creeping travel rate in 1st gear.

    This engine looks very interesting to me as a core around which to build something (if I only had the time). I still think the counterbalanced 200cc Yamaha air cooled 2 stroke ATV engine would be a good choice, but that's a BIG big engine. The clone revolution does create lots of opportunities. $1,100 buys 212cc, 2 valve, 5 speed, manual clutch, electric and kick start. Take a cheap retired trials bike (as modern as possible). Use all the components but the frame. Custom make a steel frame. The horizontal-format engines allow for a low-mass-center build.
    212cc Engine 5 Speed Manual Clutch.JPG
    212cc Engine 5 Speed Manual Clutch Left 2.JPG
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  13. Norman Foley

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    Brings us back to the Fantom....
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    I forgot about that thing
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    They might have too, as it's still not in production.
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    The Phantom was a good idea in terms of sourcing cheap clone engines (the clutch sounds like it works well enough). They started with a design patent (not a utility patent), and design patents don't have much in the way of exclusivity protection. The Chinese, for example, would not give a rat's butt about a design patent. And they'd use another (vertical) clone engine anyway, such as what was done with the Tenaci-Wong TW200.

    An almost no-volume start-up is at a significant disadvantage in getting better components for a cost that makes the whole effort worth it, even with a $1k or less engine to start with. Anyone know what the volume cost of the trials component set is minus the custom part of the machine? That's in spreadsheets here and there....

    Tout the horizontal-engine benefits, but buyers will still see a trails bike with a horizontal clone engine as a budget bike and will ask, "Why should I pay that for a clone-engine bike when I can buy a great used trials bike?"

    Few endeavors are harder than manufacturing and selling to the public. Many start-ups go into these efforts clueless about the incredible number of learning experiences. That's a good thing because some start-ups do make it and we all benefit. Better in the trials market is a brute-force effort and an deep experience base like TRS and Vertigo. Then there's the need for luck in timing to market and having that market sustain a while.

    A trellis frame like on the Phantom would be quite the effort! I was thinking something simpler, if ever to do it.

    The idea of starting with 80% of the bike via a good used trials bike with a roached engine, then combining that with clone engine is a pure exercise in one-off fun, and all the better if the end result is as good as the Phantom prototype.
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  17. Norman Foley

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    The very basic elements of a frame....
    https://fantom-motorcycles.com/gb/frame/1345-kit-fabricacion-chasis-moto.html
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