Trying to import a KTM, finally gave up

Discussion in 'Canada' started by jackr, Jul 22, 2008.

  1. farmerger

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  3. L_Ron802

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    Hi there,

    Just thought I'd tell you my strange tale of getting a 2008 Superduke 990 imported from the USA. I bought the bike from a fellow in Kentucky for a great price and basically thought I'd fight it out with Transport Canada and RIV and get the required letters etc after the fact...

    It turned out that the bike actually has a Canadian safety label (in both English and French) on it with no US markings at all. CBSA allowed it across the border and indicated on my form 1 that it complies. It still isn't admissible according to RIV so I've emailed Transport Canada's compliance guy with a picture of the label as it seems pretty cut and dried that it does.

    I'm still looking into it but I'm guessing that the bike was intended for the Canadian market but ended up in the US somehow. The history report and title are all fine, just a weird case that may work out in my favour. Even if I have to go through MIAC its still a bargain but my fingers are crossed that they will just grant it. Currently, it sits in my garage, while I wait.

    I'll keep you all posted

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  4. Bill 310

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    KTM Canada is the problem, there is no difference between the US and CDN bikes. It is just a game KTM Canada is playing and no one at KTM HO has the smarts to link their poor sales and dealer service revenues in Canada to the fact that we have the internet and won't pay a jacked up price in Canada.

    If anyone has an address and the name of the President of KTM Worldwide please post it up so we can write a nice letter, signed by a bunch of us and send it off to them.






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  5. Vicks

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    Lets say that in case a person immigrating to Canada (with a job offer) owns an '07 KTM 990Adv (Euro spec, 1st owner) and wishes to import the bike, is it possible to do so ?
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  6. Deuce

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    Afraid not. You will have to sell it then buy one here or import one from the U.S. of A. You can only import '07 or older from the States.
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  7. Bill 310

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    The 2007 KM 990 is on the RIV list. As I understand it the Euro Spec bike would be only different from the US bike in that it has the 2 bulb headlight. I imported a 2007 KTM 990 from the states

    You could help all of us out if you could get a letter from KTM World stating that there is no difference world wide in the 990 motorcycles (by year) with the exception of the headlight setup or whatever and have a little table in the letter that show European bike, US bikes and Canadian motorcycles and list the differences.

    This would be of great assistance to those of us in Canada who want to import newer KTM's 990's than model year 2007

    I sent you a PM






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  8. Bill 310

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    I don't know, if he can get a manufacturer's head office letter that states the bikes are identical why wouldn't RIV consider it eligible?

    I am sure that they haven't had this particular situation before as outlined above.

    It might be worth a try and if nothing else the letter might help the rest of us if we could get ti extended to 2011 or 2012 models.


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  9. NORTH RIDER

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    that letter would be useless to anyone in north america. you need to remember it is not up to KTM or any other manufacturer to make a bike legal in the us or canada . it is up to the country's department of transport and in the US also the E.P.A. why do you think that bikes differ from europe to the north american market??

    ktm can say what they want but it's not going to get the magic sticker unless that bike was tested by the country's department of trasport.
    as far as not beeing able to import a newer bike from the US it's only because the CANADIAN dealers complained and said they were losing sales. that is why KTM will not help you ( they have made exceptions, i believe ). but think , if we can go and get a new ktm in the US for a lot less than in canada how are the KTM dealers going to survive ? why would they remain a dealer to a manufacturer that does not support them ??

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  10. Bill 310

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    I understand that, but if the 2007 was identical world wide, why not at least make an attempt and see what RIV says.

    If it was my motorcycle I would certainly make an effort before taking the statements from any internet forum as being gospel, and this was not meant to be an offensive statement directed at you or the other posters.

    There is also some value to the Canadian contingent in seeing this letter no matter what the OP's importation result.

    As far as the Canadian dealers surviving I have to compete internationally in a world market without a restricted market and survive and American firms are in Canada competing against me so why should I be expected /forced to subsidize an inefficient business. Have you ever tried to phone KTM Canada, and the sales of KTM's didn't exactly skyrocket after they shut down importation of post 2007 MC's.
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  11. Steve G.

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    I understand what you're saying about the survival of Cdn dealers, and I feel sorry for them, as they have to follow the rules set down by the KTM dealer network in Canada and North America. But, don't you have just a bit of,,,,scorn for the attitude of KTM Canada that they would deem that we must pay a premium for the same bikes just because of our home's location?
    I put this question to any and all other manufacturers who are playing this game of RIV list manipulation to continue this irregular MSRP among Canada and USA.

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  12. NORTH RIDER

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    i'm just talking from personal experience. i imported a bike from england a few years ago and had to deal with canada customs ,and did a lot of research. it was an older bike but i learned a lot. also one of my AFRICA TWINS came from england ,again older but you have to do some research. my BMW, other AFRICA TWIN . and KTM 950S were all imported from the US.

    the CB1100R that i no longer have ( imported from england ) was sold to the US so i got to learn a lot about exporting a bike to the US as well.

    YOU CAN ALWAYS TRY AND SOMETIMES YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT . i just don't think KTM wll give you that magical letter.if they did they would kill there KTM dealer network in canada. they will however maybe willing to help you on a "ONE SPECIA"L case. and if they do i'm sure they do not want too many people to know it.

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  13. Steve G.

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    Research is indeed in order for vehicles that are 'new - 14 yrs old' from the USA. There is no research required for vehicles 15 yrs old and older,,,,it's quite simple, anything can come into Canada from anywhere. Now, there is currently a bit of pushback on this primarily caused by these guys bringing in the right hand steer Nissan Skylines and micro trucklets from Asia.

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  14. Vicks

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    OK, lets assume i go to KTM, ask for the letter and try my best to get it imported to Canada and still, it doesn't happen.

    Now, this bike holds very special value for me and selling it locally would also mean that i would lose a lot of money due to depreciation, not to speak of the much higher price i would have to pay for a new bike in Canada, would it be possible for me to CKD my bike, ship it to Canada as "parts", pick up an LC8 Adv frame from the US/Canada (for a very low value) and swap over all the parts from my bike, then register it in Canada ? What would that involve ?
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  15. farmerger

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    My recent experience with KTM North America has me doubting that he will get any response at all, because that's what I got, nothing, when I imported my 06 950SM in April. Never got a call back, never got a written reply back to my requests for a recall letter. There is an outfit here that I know has helped individuals import newer than 07 KTM's into Canada, you might want to give them a call. My understanding is that you need to prove to RIV that everything on the bike meets or exceeds Canadian specs and that these MIAC guys have done all this paper work and research already. I was told costs are around $500, but that's still a lot cheaper than taking the bike apart, shipping the pieces, buying a NA frame and reassembling the beast.
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  16. Steve G.

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    I know of a guy that bought a newer [pre -2010, pre Motovan importer] MV Agusta 1000, took it apart in a storage place in Blaine WA, brought it across in small components as parts, put it back together, had it inspected and re-registered as a 2011 u-build. Transport Canada knows people are doing this, are not impressed, but it's not happening alot, so they put up with it.
    How you would do this with a bike that is currently in Saudi Arabia, or England,,,,,????

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  17. 2StrokeBloke

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    I'm too sleepy and lazy right now to read pages 2 and 3, but I just spoke with a guy in Calgary who purchased a 2010 KTM Adventure and had it imported into Canada. Had to pay a bit extra to an official importer ($1200 I think) and had to give into the $500 recall clearance letter scam (included in the $1200) but in the end, it was worth it since he's got a 2010 at thousands less than his buddy on a locally purchased 2010 Adv.

    It can be done. I can get details in about a week if needed.
    Regarding the recall clearance letter vs. the printout from the dealer...I've imported 4 bikes in the last 4 years and in each case, for the two BMW's I imported, I was able to get the dealer (sorry, more accurately the service manager) to supply me with a printout of the vin showing that there were no outstanding recalls. We all know BMW and others are putting massive pressure on the American dealers to NOT supply this simple printout..some report punitive measures being threatened against them if they supply. I think the problem is the page must also have the dealerships stamp or info on it...hard to hide where it's coming from if that's the case. There are some guys that don't give a hoot about corporate interests. thank God for them.

    The two suzuki's I imported just required a simple phone call to Suzuki America requesting details of outstanding recalls and about a week later, a beautiful letter shows up in the mailbox.

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    I am sure there would be a whole crapload of people pretty happy to wait a week for your wisdom... once you shake the cobwebs out, please DO post...! On behalf of myself and many other inmates - THANK YOU! :freaky
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  19. Crashnchris27

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    I recently got a job tranfer from toronto to texas, I'm having the same fiasco with KTM canada and KTM usa to import my 690. I called my dealer weeks ago and got nothing, just that they called KTM canada and they have forwarded to KTM USA. Now i am days from leaving Canada with nothing and KTM CAN nor US will return my calls. This is so frustrating, i love my bike and would'nt sell it for any amount of money. I guess ill hit the border if they dont accept the epa stickers that are on it then ill have to just take it down with canadian tags for now as i should have 6 months to figure something out.
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  20. Rockwell

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    It's a bit of a joke. I imported my 2007 990 in 2009. I couldn't import an '08 because it wasn't on the RIV list.

    KTM is also doing something similar with parts. I use to order a bunch of stuff from KTMtwins, but now they are not allowed to ship parts to Canada, I suspect for the same reason (to keep Canadians paying higher prices). Now, with parts, I order from cheapcycleparts.com, who have really decent prices on KTM parts, and I get them shipped to a shipping agent in Lewiston, NY (I live in Hamilton). The shipping agent keeps your packages for as long as you need to pick them up, and they only charge you $5 per package.
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