Ultra rugged Kyocera phones,GPS smartphones ..my guide

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by PDX Alamo, Feb 19, 2017.

  1. ohgood

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    see my earlier post, referencing the "radio switcher"application for turning off the cellular radio.

    for routes/tracks, i normally create them on the phone. if you prefer creating them on a desktop, just make sure you export them as a full route or track. otherwise you'll end up with just a set of routing POINTS, which is exactly why so many people have had issues with routes while doing things the old way on Garmin devices. they thought they exported a full route, but it was really only a few shaping points, that was left up to the gps to decide how to route. this caused all kinds of confusion/errors once the routes were turned on and nothing worked as intended.

    tracks are always more reliable, route shaping points are much less so.

    for street riding i just use Google maps
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  2. Glenn247

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    Co-Pilot on my android (free version) doesn't allow for a .trp file to be loaded--that feature is there but "grayed out" and not available to select.

    Looks like paying 15 bucks for Co-Pilot gets you traffic and voice navigation for a year....

    My question is, is there an app similar to co-pilot that can load a .trp file to follow it? If not, how can it be done with Co-Pilot?

    My phone will not give me the option of opening the .trp file with Co-Pilot for some reason; it doesn't show up on the list of apps to open the file
  3. flamingm0e

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    Why not load up tracks in Locus and have it GUIDE you? It does essentially the same thing. .trp files are Co-Pilot only that I am aware of.
  4. scootertrog

    scootertrog Jedi Fart Master

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    I'd pay the yearly subscription to TomTom GO before buying the CoPilot app. Using TomTom's MyDrive program on the PC, it'll sync to the GO app and the files transfer over in excellent condition. You'll then have turn-by-turn, just like a Garmin. There's a free trial GO app ( only good for 50 miles, lol) you can try to see if it will work for you. I ran the TomTom GO app concurrently with the Guru app just recently on a 5,200 mile trip. There were just a couple times where the GO app tried to re-route me off my imported route. The re-routes were short-cuts calculated by GO, no biggie and I just either followed it or stuck to the original trk displayed on Guru. :)
    The one feature the GO app has that I really care about, is it will show you upcoming gas stations. Since I don't have a Data plan, that was a worthwhile item. If you have a Data plan, there's several apps that will lead you to gas. The GO app has a beautiful layout and was very easy to read in all but the very worst sunlight conditions (which very very few).
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    The .trp files (unique to CoPilot) are stored in the (Android) com.alk.copilot.mapviewr\na\save folder. Probably within internal storage but could be on the SD card. The 'load/save' function is part of the 'Plan Trip' function from the main menu. Quite possibly, this is something that is not available in the free version. These .trp files can be copied/moved using a file system manager, but can only be read by the CP app if they are in the correct place.

    The Trip Planning capability of CP is the main reason I continue to use it. I've mentioned before, I probably do 95% of my planning directly on the phone, so don't really need a computer with me all the time. For turn-by-turn navigation, Locus is pretty close to CP, but still not quite up to the ease of use and planning capability, and a lot more complicated to use. With the entire North American road and POI database installed in about 2.5gb, I can plan a trip from Key West Florida to Deadhorse AK, right on the phone (all off-line) and never have to worry about space or downloading multiple maps. Not perfect but damn sure is easy enough..

    And just an FYI, ALK was acquired by Trimble, and they are still supporting the app. Just pushed out an update a week or two ago..
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    Thanks - good to know! When I got my DFP a few months ago, I wanted to purchase the CoPilot "Premium" version, but the Google Playstore had some mumbo-jumbo in the app description that it was no longer being supported, the whole thing was sort of vague so I didin't want to take a chance and waste the $10 or whatever it was. I did like the CoPilot "Premium" that was on my iPhones, for get me from A to B. I still prefer to follow the trk files in Guru for planned-out trips. :)

    That's the beauty of smartphone navigation - tons of alternatives that one can pick/choose from to suit his/her needs.
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    So you can download a TomTom Go app for your android (paid or free version) and use that in lieu of Co-Pilot to read .trp files and/or gpx files?

    Also, after selecting the tracks option for exporting from Furkot and then loading that file into locus and OsmAnd and Gaia the route seems to display better and it appears a rough navigation feedback option is possible.

    So I'm on duty at Ft. Knox, KY and I plan to ride back to Virginia using all back roads. Here is my route which is the one I'm hoping to follow using my android:

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    Ok; I'm frustrated. I have the 14 day trial going on for Co-Pilot now and I still can't load a .trp file with the app because that feature / option is clearly "grayed out" and not selectable...what gives? I see the option there to import the .trp file but it can't be selected.

    The phone also doesn't list Co-Pilot as one of the apps with which I could open the .trp file when I select it from the internal storage or SD card; what gives?

    I just want to display and follow the .trp file I exported from Furkot using Co-Pilot...
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    No idea here. I don't use Copilot because I don't think it's as good at what I need as OsmAnd and Locus.
  10. scootertrog

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    I've never had the free version, so I can't confirm if you can upload a trp file or not to it. I could on the paid-for iPhone version, but like Garmin, CoPilot was fast to recalculate/re-route, which I didn't like, and drove me to find an app like Guru (formerly Galileo Pro) to use for my pre-planned routes. From what I've seen, if an app can "re-calculate" or give you turn-by-turn guidance, it has a high probability of re-routing you to it's liking vs staying strictly on your imported route/trk/trp.

    I'm not a fan of Furkot. It's a very good "trip planner", but for me, the user interface is too cumbersome to just throw down a route. I don't want to mess with drawers, cabinets and all that other guano, lol.
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    So which route planner do you use to build out your routes? Furkot seems okay to me but I'm a dunce

    And you use Guru to navigate your pre-planned route so it doesn't reroute you against your pre-planned route?
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    Are you looking for ROUTING or just following a TRACK that you've created? I feel like you're getting confused between the 2.
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    I'm looking to follow tracks of my own creation
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    You don't need routing then. OsmAnd, Guru, Oruxmaps, and Locus will work just fine.

    Just about any of the top apps will work just fine.

    You're focusing on the wrong things.

    Guru will be the easiest.

    OsmAnd is a good balance of ease of use and features.

    Locus is the hardest but the most rewarding and feature rich GPS app there is.

    Following tracks is easy. Locus will even verbally guide you (guidance, not navigation) on tracks.
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  15. scootertrog

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    Oh boy...... :uhoh Seems like depending on what program/device/app/person, whatever you use, the terminology is FUBAR as far as the definition of ROUTE or TRACK.

    I use Mappite.org. I pick points on a road and it connects them, following the road. I export that as a Track (gpx) file. lol Guru is like having a paper map that you take a sharpie and highlight the roads you want to ride. It does not calculate or deviate from what you import. I have not tried it, but I think Guru has auto-route capability if it has a Wi-Fi connection.

    If you like Furkot, by all means stick with it, it can do some pretty cool stuff. It's just too much for what I require.
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  16. rarepartbuilder

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    Many new folks coming into the dual sport realm here with the main interest of keeping it in the dirt... besides pointing the newer GPS users to the kyocera family.. everyone gets the initial Locus gospel... so there is hope of familiarity /self help within the group. :-)
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  17. Shawnee Bill

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    Wasn't going to say anything but I think the definitions of Track and Route are the same everywhere I look. A track is a series of points with straight lines connecting them with no regard for roads/trails.
    A route is a series of points which your software forces to roads on it's map and connects these points by following roads on it's map.

    What that means is when you export a track you export a list of points, then when you import them the software plots them as lat/long points and connects them with straight lines with no regard for a road on a map. If the distance between the points is small and the map scale you are using is large you will not see it as straight lines until you zoom in and then you will see the straight lines between the points.
    When you export a route you again export a list of points that the import software plots then connects them using the roads in it's maps as lines following it's roads. If it can not lay the points on roads on it's maps it will tell you it does not match it's roads and ask if you want to recalculate using it's maps. Generally the 'fixed' points in a route file are much farther apart than in a track file.

    I believe they are both .gpx files? It's been over ten years since I looked inside an xml file :gerg
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  18. scootertrog

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    Varies with the programs you are using. Tracks imported into Guru are not straight lines (rte files do show up as a stright point-to-point line), they lay on the roads nicely. I'd have to dig into my files, but I believe TomTom's MyDrive works with trk files as well (been a few weeks since I was in that program). :)

    I think the .gpx extension is indeed the most common extension, and even CoPilot needs it to be converted to a .trp file. It's all very confusing, at least to me.
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    a gpx file can contain a track, a route, a bunch of individual POI, or any combination of any number of those.
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    You need to google 'gpx', you will find the answers to these questions and should be able to get a better handle on these file types and uses and why so many different file extensions.
    Much of your confusion comes from the fact that many software developers want to make their own unique file types almost all of which just have small differences in their schemas. Just hooks to get you to use (buy) their software.

    Much of the reason so many of us are leaving Garmin and/or TomTom is because using "phone" apps as navigation software opens up so many additional capabilities for us to use/choose depending on what we need that day.

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