US loop on 50cc advice needed

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Andyhorror, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. willys

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    I too have had this problem....do I purchase a notebook or a book to scribble my thoughts in at the end of the day? So far...I have gone the neither route...too lazy, no time, or many other silly reasons....and wish I had done either one! The last trip I took I didn't even take a camera! Now I have an excuse to return...lol
    But...as you grow older, yep I'm old...52 and loosing my memory every day as it seems, I wish I had taken more notes, pics whatever to help nudge my memory of those adventures.
    Now....will I buy a notebook....probably not. I don't want to worry about it, getting damaged from either water or vibrations, plus what if it crashes? All lost any way. So I will rely on the good old pencil and paper I think. Oh yes...and a camera from now one....
    Time catches up with you and things don't work as well as they once used to.....not that I'm a dribbling fool, but unless it is something either very good or bad...it seems I don't remember it as well as before. Write it down....you will thank yourself in the future.:deal:cry
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  2. Revill

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    Take the notebook if you possibly can. It's getting harder and harder to find an internet connection these days because everybody uses their cellphones and notebooks. The days of using public library computers to keep in touch are going away fast. You've got wifi, right? Expect to spend every third night or so in a motel. I like the ones that smell of curry. You can charge it there.

    About extra fuel: 100 - 120 miles is a bit tight, but all you need is a pint or so for a scooter. Unless you're crossing Nevada. An aluminum camp fuel jug is just about perfect. It shouldn't cost much more than $10. And, instead of a bicycle pump (scooter tires hold as much or more air than a motorcycle tire, and I've pumped up a motorcycle tire with a bike pump. It's not a quick process) get one of these http://www.harborfreight.com/12-volt-250-psi-compact-air-compressor-4077.html

    Discard the case and the ridiculously inaccurate guage and reconnect the hose. You have to dangle it by the cord when you use it but it will pump up a tire in about five minutes, over and over and over if necessary. Plugs don't always seal, making CO2 cartridges a gamble.

    Clothing? Wear what you normally wear when you ride. And take a good quality motorcycle rain suit. Rain suits not designed specifically for riding a motorcycle will not keep you dry. If it turns cold, put the suit on. It makes A HUGE DIFFERENCE. You shouldn't need more than that in summer anywhere under 10,000 feet. If you go to Estes Park and across Rocky Mountain National park (What a BLAST that would be on a scooter!) you might be a bit chilly at night.

    Once you get into the west, you will find yourself passing through national forests. Most of those west of Oklahoma are open to the public. Come about an hour before dark, start looking for a forest access road. Be careful, and if there's any question at all walk it first since you're all alone. Nothing is quite as disheartening as to find yourself half way up or down a nasty slope and you really should turn around and go back but it's too steep to do that. Or being stuck up to the hubs in deep sand where nobody's ever going to find you. Except finding yourself upside down in a ditch, I guess. I love to camp somewhere up the side of a mountain a few hundred feet off the blacktop. It's so peaceful. The Kaibab plateau is my very very most favorite, even if the air is a bit thin for this lowlander. There's several websites that show access points to all the national land and even where good camping spots are but personally, I usually just wing it. Take bear precautions in bear country, and pay attention to fire danger levels. Or just don't make a fire. I always carry a tiny alcohol stove and three days worth of emergency canned food, though freeze dried is also an option. I only make a fire if I've got a steak on board, and put it out as soon as I've finished.

    If you can manage it, take a ice chest. They make great travel trunks, and are the best place to carry a gallon of water as well as an occasional steak or six pack. Once you get west of Oklahoma, carry water. At LEAST a gallon.

    Maps: I usually carry a pocket atlas, but the best portable paper maps come from the various states. I usually pick them up at the Welcome booths at state lines, but those are on freeways. Maybe if you wrote to the states they'd send you a map in the mail?

    Route: Do you have one? I have suggestions. Like the National Park ride, starting with Mesa Verde, then the north rim of the Grand Canyon, then Zion, then across the desert to Mono Lake and Yosemite. Highway 51 has a stretch of about 200 miles with no water or gas. Be careful. This is my favorite route to the west coast.

    Now, about all those posts telling you not to try this on a scooter. Excuse me guys, but he's an experienced scooter rider. He knows about being the slowest guy on the road. It's doable.
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  4. Andyhorror

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    thanks as always willys.
    I was thinking about what i should do all day at work. i was still feeling very indecisive so i asked my sister and she said "why not take both and if the computer gets to be annoying mail it home and if you need it again just get it mailed ahead and pick it up." shes so smart:clap
    so a handwritten journal and computer for dumping and organizing photos. simple simple and i dont even have to decide.

    no motels. im building a charger to run off the battery while im driving and i can just go to a local cafe for a while during the day for the internet. thats what i did this past summer for my little week trip to update the facebob page i made.
    im going to decide what i will be using for extra fuel once my custom rear rack is done and i can experiment with packing arrangements.
    as for the 12v pump, someone had suggested that but i dont trust em. ive had two or three fail me at home after not much use or abuse. i already have the hand pump and nothing but time, thats the whole point of the trip.
    i will be boondocking for as many nights as possibly separated by staying at houses of friends and family.
    maps, i was looking into getting an atlas. maybe a michellin spiral bound, just some thing to supplement the gps that i dont plan on using too much. if i need to go northeast travel north then east and so on, on roads that look good. or ask locals if they know any good routes with pretty scenery. ive had good luck with this in the past especially asking old people. no offense willys lol.
    that kind of leads to my route i dont really have one. west zigzaging to whatever sounds interesting then south then back east and north just a big loop but def nothing as far as what roads to take. may sound crazy, but i'am a little.
    as for the trailer appreciated but no thanks that would only allow me to take MORE shit i dont need.
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  5. willys

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    As for maps....I'm not remembering what GPS you have and am too lazy to reread the thread sorry....yep I'm old! If the GPS has mapping that is up to date it should be good enough without having to worry about carrying paper maps. If you don't have a good GPS, Tiger Direct has or had one on sale for $89!!! I bought one for the misses and it's a little gem. a 295W it does many things, look it up....a great deal if it is somewhere near that price still.
    I think you will have zero issues with your trip as it seems you are well versed in scooter travel and rough camping.....something I was hoping to do on my trip to the Yukon this past summer.....but.....the first night we just semi found a great spot to stealth camp and a bear crossed the road just in front of us.....so much for stealth camping.....lol BUT..IMHO...it would be the real way to get the true adventure feel....we should have done it any way! OH well....next time.:deal
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  6. Andyhorror

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    i have a gps and im nearly certain that it hasnt yet been mentioned.
    its a Nuvi 500 with topo and and road maps. it does the job but i just cant get the big picture from that little screen.
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  7. klaviator

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    I think that you have to decide on how important doing a ride report is to you. If you do a ride report as you go and update it every 2 or 3 days you have the potential for getting a huge following. A 90 day trip on a 50cc scooter is not your average trip. Doing the report would require some effort and will most likely have a big impact on your trip.

    I personally have not done a trip as long as you are planning but I have read a lot of ride reports. I would recomend that you read Kaneman's ride report from a few years ago. His trip was dramatically changed due to his ride report. The ride report had both positive and negative affects on his trip. His report got over 1.6 Million hits! Here is the link: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203720
    Be warned, it is a very long report. Once I started reading it, I was hooked and it occupied much of my time for over a week.
    Another interesting report, since it involved taking a long trip on a bike not much bigger than yours: Sydney to London on a Moped Called Dot : http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=460631

    If you want to do a ride report as you go, then take the netbook. If it is not that important then maybe you should leave it behind.
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  8. Andyhorror

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    havent posted in a while. been tryin to get some shit together and i feel like my list is finally where i want it until i start packing things oon the bike of course:rofl
    here it is. if anyone has suggestions or criticisms let em fly.

    extra keyaround my neck
    dog tags emergency contact, allergies info
    insurance
    license

    (storage?)
    sleeping pad (thermarest)
    sleeping bag still need one
    poncho liner


    tent (mountain pass xt2)
    tarp

    (soft cooler)
    waterproof matches
    lighters (bic)
    knife
    fork
    spoon
    water container
    camping stove + fuel
    pot and pan
    bottle of olive oil
    camping can openers
    salt pepper garlic
    sandwich bags

    (underseat)
    12v sockets
    phone
    phone charger
    gps charger
    camera
    camera charger
    Laptop?
    Laptop chager?
    inverter
    toilet paper
    sweater
    (tupperware container underseat)
    liquid soap
    tooth brush
    tooth paste
    peroxide (mouth wash)
    floss with needle
    antiperspirant
    towel
    lotion
    baby wipes
    tylenol
    garbage bags

    (duffle)
    helmet (bell)
    balaclava/dickie
    riding jacket (rincon)
    boots (justins)
    leather gloves
    rubber rain gloves
    rain suit

    (old saddle bag)
    1 package of six socks(new)
    1 pair wool socks(redwing)
    chuck taylors
    dickies
    blade jeans
    jean cut-offs
    running shorts
    pocket tee (2)
    v-neck white tee
    sleeveless tee(chili peppers)
    thermal tee
    drystar longjohns
    bandanna 2
    glasses 1
    sunglasses 1
    gallon zip bags

    1 gallon fuel container?

    (tool bag wrapped in bungees)
    extra belt
    tire plug kit (lots of plugs)
    handpump
    strapwrench
    vicegrips
    19mm 1/2"
    17mm 1/2"
    12mm 1/4'
    10mm 1/4"
    1/2" ratchet
    1/4" to 1/2"extension adapter
    multi use screwdriver
    allen set
    duct tape
    electric tape
    jb weld
    e6000
    extra AAA batteries

    (handlebar bag)
    earplugs
    sunglasses
    bandanna
    glasses
    mechanix gloves
    gps
    maps of currrent state
    journal pencil
    headlamp
    chapstick
    sunscreen

    (skate bag)
    skates
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  9. willys

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    Damn! All fits on a scooter?

    Love to see a pic of her all loaded up and ready....make sure you test it a few times the actual way you're going...just in case.

    Love it....keep posting.:freaky
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  10. Creation

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    If you are able to fit all that on the scoot, then congrats! BUT go for a ride and see how your speed is limited. Right now what im gonna say is off of what I did my senior year of highschool.

    I rode a pedal bike from WA state to VA state, did it with a kid carrier filled with what you had and it drastically affected my speed but again I was on a bike. I would say you should add in ZIP TIES and DUCTAPE. Also anything you can do to improve the power should be thought of. You mentioned exhaust and if you want PM me and I can give you some options for more power from your scooter at a relative cheap cost. If you can find a cheapo trailer on craigslist thats lightweight and can be taken on roads (you wont be goingn faster than 40, but trust me, that lil kid carrier had ****ed bearings and seals after a couple weeks at 10-20mph on gravel roads and I replaced them all before leaving

    Can of PB blaster will go a long way, and also a nice backpack will accomodate almost all of that listed above. Look on ebay for one like this; http://cgi.ebay.com/new-210-Camelba...979?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b715c23b

    That way you have your water and a LARGE space to hold everthing but the largest of items. If your on a budget and cant afford one, let me know and I can send you my hydration pack *same as the one above* (please just promise to send it back, its been all over the world and my lifesaver). You can strap it to the front of the scoot and give your back a rest too when needed.

    Also if you want, I can take a pic of everything I can fit in mine thats on your list. Just let me know. Im off work today and have nothing else to do.
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  11. Andyhorror

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    i really appreciate the offer, there aren't too many people out there that would volunteer some of their favorite gear to a stranger.
    i have all the gear storage covered for the most part. not sure where im goin to store my riding gear(separate from regular clothes for sure). walmart has a nice looking pvc coated duffle with a top loading flap for cheap thinking of getting into that.
    ive been looking into it pretty deeply the past few weeks and it seems that there isnt much that can be done for my little scooter as far as top speed and pulling power. looks as if ill just be goin really slow up the mountain grades, but on flat land my scoot will pull the gear a top speed all day whopping 40:lol3.
    zip ties are goin on the list i can get some for free from work got tape on the list already. forgot about fuses and lights (head and brake) also a printed service manual.

    willys i'm trying to post a pic of my setup from last summer, everthing was the same minus sleeping bag (just used a poncho liner and pad), cooking gear and a different tent that was a little smaller packing. having some trouble getting my pic to upload. it really is a sight to see the little scoot loaded down for camping. i do plan on making some short weekend trips out of town to test different arrangements.
    how do i post more than one pic in a reply? put em together in paint or something? need to know if im gonna be makin a RR

    cheers andy
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  12. Creation

    Creation Been here awhile

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    host them for free on photobucket and post the URL's here seem to be the easiest way.

    oh and the best stove i have ever had was a coffee can stove made from 1st grade, hahaha such a POS, but cooked and heated without the tent burning down.

    anything you need just ask, when you swing by the NW let me know, i'll get out my old scooter and ride along with ya for the time your here.
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  13. klaviator

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    You need a photo hosting site like photobucket or smugmug. Photobucket offers a free account but if you post a lot of pics, which you most likely will if you do a ride report, you will quickly run out of bandwidth. You will need to get a pay account eventually. I use photobucket but don't know whether photobucket or smugmug is better. Neither is particularly expensive. My photobucket pro account is $25 per year.
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  14. Andyhorror

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    hell i tried to figure out how to upload pics to the thread for like two hrs or something i think that the images file size is too large.
    http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/andyhorror_photo/
    this is my photobucket with some images of the scoot loaded, enjoy

    trying to get rid of the saddlebags and put everything onto a rack on the back and up front where the tarp is, streamline her u know:D i am planning on putting all my street clothes into one of the saddlebags.

    creation that sounds great, im gonna take you up on that offer when i get out to the northwest. definitely better than hangin out with the ex:puke1 haha
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    Important point to consider:

    I noticed on your FB pics that your scooter doesn't have a license plate. You'll want to check the laws in the states you'll be riding through, because here in Vermont, for example, scooters need to be plated even if under 50cc (only thing exempt is sub-50cc mopeds, defined specifically as having pedals like a bicycle).

    If you ride on public roads in states where scooters need to be plated, the cops will put a pretty quick stop to your trip.

    --mark
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  16. klaviator

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    I doubt it's the file size. You're probably not using the right procedure. Here's how to do it: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=919

    And option 1 no longer works so go straight to option 2.
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    Very interesting pics....I was sort of expecting to see the old version scooters though....lol....I never considered the newer version.....it seems that you have it figured out well as they bikes aren't that loaded down...
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  18. Andyhorror

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    alright got it
    me in my riding gear for the week. whats atgatt; haha
    <a href="https://andyhorror.smugmug.com/Spirituality/super-awesome-scooter-time/15857232_CaTuw#1189439490_7PEUa-A-LB" title=""><img src="https://andyhorror.smugmug.com/Spirituality/super-awesome-scooter-time/P1080344/1189439490_7PEUa-M.jpg" alt="" title=""></a>
    stopped on the side of the road for a photo shoot
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/59605995@N02/5456119751/" title="P1080095 by Andyhorror, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5137/5456119751_d5c1d0db97_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="P1080095" /></a>
    pee break
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/59605995@N02/5456124823/" title="P1080134 by Andyhorror, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5213/5456124823_51b7bbc43e_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="P1080134" /></a>
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  19. JimOBrien

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    Couple of thoughts about your packing setup.
    1) The tarp on the front: probably want to make it a roll instead of flat and try to keep the edges of it tucked inside to keep them from flapping. Rolling it will give you less drag.
    2) Instead of bungee cords you might want to use straps that can be tightened, like ROK straps.
    3) Add attachment points to the front cowling for the straps or bungee's. Kitchen/bath cabinets knobs are cheap, just put a large diameter load washer on the inside, like a fender washer, to distribute the loading and not crack the plastics.
    4) Use some straps, again ROK, to compress the saddlebags down to the smallest diameter to reduce drag and flapping. Industrial type Velcro could also be used to secure the bottom of the saddlebags to the cowling to eliminate flapping

    Other than that have fun, enjoy the ride. Remember that 'opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one'.

    Oh, yeah: you still need ADV sticker
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  20. Andyhorror

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    great idea on the tarp cant believe i hadn't thought of that. packing the tarp that way would give the clothes bag a nice platform. im not planing on using the saddlebags so no worries there. i think rok straps are out of my price range. ive got some straps from wally world for 96cents a piece that im gonna try before i go all out on some real adventure gear.

    yah gotta get me one a dem stickers
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