Versys owners checkin

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by pilot, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. HopkinsOldGuy

    HopkinsOldGuy Adventurer

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    A little late to add my two cents worth, but I thought I would anyway.
    I had a Russel put on my old BMW R 80. Best investment I ever made for that bike. Yes, it did cost me a little over $500 at the time, but it made 500+ mile days not a problem.
  2. Atalanta89

    Atalanta89 Been here awhile

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    I have the Seat Concepts low seat with the gripper top and have put many long hour rides on it. It’s been well worth the money but Terry’s was my second option.
  3. Motogasoline

    Motogasoline Been here awhile

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    Sargent is not on the level of seat concepts versys 650 seat. No comparison. The SC is an amazing improvement. As far as I can tell the sargent looks great but that's it.
  4. MoneySlide

    MoneySlide Tall Teller of Tales

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    8EFC1DD0-D777-414B-8B47-45E074F5B72F.jpeg We had some tornados this past weekend and my 18my versys decided to sleep through the storms. Only damage is it scuffed the saddle bag and broke the factory handguard does anyone have any recommendations for new handguards now that I have a reason to upgrade
  5. Doug Just Doug

    Doug Just Doug Silly Party Candidate Supporter

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    Yikes. I like my Givi handguards very much in the rain and cold, but I don't have a basis for comparison since my 2015 ABS model didn't come with the OEM guards.
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  6. MoneySlide

    MoneySlide Tall Teller of Tales

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    The mounting bracket is in two pieces so I guess if it ever hits the ground it’s just gonna shear off the plastic cover 002591FD-D2BF-4D11-ACA3-50D97064A3B4.jpeg 7D6C8917-6472-41BD-B95D-B91127439155.jpeg
  7. Atalanta89

    Atalanta89 Been here awhile

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    Barkbusters Storms are a good upgrade with more coverage than the stock unit.
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  8. Wood1

    Wood1 Long timer Supporter

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    I put the storms on my 09 and love them. They are sturdy. Dropped the bike several times on the MABDR with no damage.
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  9. MoneySlide

    MoneySlide Tall Teller of Tales

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    That looks like what I’m looking for
  10. mentolio

    mentolio King of the island of unwanted toys...

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    I just installed Barkbuster VPS hand guards on my AT, and they are great. They are also adjustable, having a two position wind deflector. Even in the high position they don't have the coverage that the storms do, but if you live someplace temperate to warm, the VPS kit may suit your needs better.

    By coverage I meant wind protection/deflection. They use the same aluminum frame, so protection should be equal.
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  11. alekkas

    alekkas Long timer

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    Ok, I looked and looked - this thread, jdrocks thread. Tell me about (or show me where) this cop motor 80HP mod, please.
  12. jdrocks

    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    you're asking the question in the wrong forum. the "cop" motor is the 650 Ptwin sportbike motor used in all the V649 motos, so to get to 80hp you're already starting with a motor that makes more horsepower than the stock Versys motor, although recent iterations have brought the numbers closer. 80hp in the sportbike motor is only about a 10% pop, very reasonable for a motor with a plain bearing bottom.

    check the EX650, Ninja 650, flat track, and track bike forums for plenty of reading on tuning these motors. the OEM stock cop motor is ultra reliable, which is what i want in a motor, so i've never juiced it beyond an exhaust swap. 70+ hp gets me in plenty of trouble already.

    latest cop powered Versys was buried in a corner of the shop, dug it out so i could finish it up. BigChuck, another Versys dude, wants to go for a BDR ride later this spring.

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  13. alekkas

    alekkas Long timer

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    Ok thanks. So in general terms, the reference is more about the earlier ninja motors having more hp than the versys motors. Then just mod away if one is so inclined.
  14. Gustavo

    Gustavo Motociclista Errante

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    I don't know which dyno's you are using as a basis, but everything I've seen puts the Ninja/ER6 at about 5 HP more than the Versys, meaning, about 65HP at the rear wheel (maybe you were referring to HP at the crank?). I think going to 80 is possible and some racebikes have been shown to make more than that, but it's a ~20% increase, not 10% from stock. It's not trivial and requires some serious modifications.

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  15. AmbientMoto

    AmbientMoto Been here awhile

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    @jdrocks that white frame looks crazy awesome.
  16. jdrocks

    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    don't have a dyno, and have never had one of these ptwins dyno'd, but i have followed along with what others have done and tested. as i said, my only mod to the assembly has been exhaust. tuners have reported that 80 is not real difficult, above 80 longevity suffers.

    crank or wheel, who cares as long as it's apples to apples. there's a reason people were a little disappointed with the OEM Versys motor when it first came out a year after the ER650 debut, it was down 10-12% in both HP and torque in order to make it easier to ride...there was a little joke from Kawasaki in there somewhere, confirmed via butt dyno.

    most riders find the Versys motor perfectly acceptable, me too, but the cop motor is mo betta if you care to fool around with these things. the motor in the Versys white frame is a 2012 EX650, and the Versys got a similar motor in 2015, although the numbers still didn't quite match up.

    puzzling as to why Kawasaki put a different spec motor in the Versys since the endless argument has always been that all models in the entire ER6 series, including the Versys, have all been street bikes.
  17. jdrocks

    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    thanks, i'll come back with a better photo when i finish it up...the thing is a brute.
  18. alekkas

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    Agreed with a lot above. Even though different angles viewed on the same two motors. For a mid cc 'street' motor, that 650 was fine when put out. But since then, Suzuki found a few more hp and the yammi 07 upset the class.

    The versys motor always did have fewer hp in exchange for more tractable at low revs. I have felt both the lower rpm movement from the versys and a little more rush on top from the ninja. (My experience all pre 2012 btw). Butt dyno only. Certainly both in the same ball park. Especially when the weights were more similar.

    Wonder about the new ninja lighter frames and why the same weight loss not in the versys. Especially with what JD has found about the previous ninja subframe actually being a little more robust than the versys.

    Anyway, love the thread and thanks for the answer to my question. I think that is a very fun and reliable motor. May own one soon.
  19. jdrocks

    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    it would have to be a big ballpark. i have quite a few miles on the stock Versys, big difference between the stocker and the cop motor equipped Versys.

    the frame question has raised previously here, and while i'm all for a 35# weight saving, that style frame design is much weaker at the crucial front motor mount lugs cast on the engine case. this style frame was introduced with the major redesign of the EX650 in 2012. compare photos of this frame with earlier frames on the Ninja, and current Versys, where the motor mount connection is backed with a substantial frame tube. it only takes a slight deflection of the unsupported drop leg mount on the newer style frame to crack the cast lug, game over.

    no problem if these bikes are never dropped, but most are, and i've looked at a bunch while shopping for parts bikes. most had broken lugs. in contrast, it was unusual to find a broken lug on the old style framed bikes.
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  20. mminob

    mminob MotoHolic

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    This beautiful street tracker with a ninja motor and flat track frame is a work of art , and looks quite a bit lighter than my Versys ! He calls it Nightmare ... :-)

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