Versys-X 400 speculations thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by PaD, Oct 26, 2017.

  1. rideforzen

    rideforzen Long timer

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    You are correct I was quoting the Grom rear wheel hp. The old screw type 2 valve bikes are sure nice when it comes time to adjust them though.
  2. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

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    Agreed! - this was my Monkey - a 1978 Z50J:

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    It had an 88cc kit on it, so barely made 7bhp I imagine - but it was a hoot, and would still hit 55mph on a good day ;o)

    I'm honest, in the four years I owned it, I didn't need to touch the valves once either!

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  3. kiloloop

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    I’m currently riding an NX-250 and was seriously hoping for an X400 it just seams like the X300 with a bit more power would be perfect.
  4. Lesharoturbo

    Lesharoturbo Nerdly Adventurer

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    Supposedly, you can swap on the 250 jugs and overbore to get ~350cc displacement.
  5. CRP6001

    CRP6001 Been here awhile

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    The 300 is a stroked 250, the piston pin height is different. 250 big bore pistons won't work.
  6. Lesharoturbo

    Lesharoturbo Nerdly Adventurer

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    That I understand . Not suggesting you use 250 big bore pistons. There are several companies who will make custom pistons, 4 for ~$500. Share with a friend.

    The 250 used sleeved cylinders, making larger bores somewhat easier.
  7. BaldKnob

    BaldKnob I Wanna Ride

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    Is the 400 just a bored and stroked 300? or a completely different engine? 1st Gen RFS engines would allow a cylinder swap, no problem. A competent owner, with a working credit card, could be riding the first V400 in a relatively short time.
  8. BaldKnob

    BaldKnob I Wanna Ride

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    A modern, 500cc FI version of this would be ideal.
  9. Janus9

    Janus9 Been here awhile

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    If a guy in his garage can put a 500cc twin in his crf250l that I believe weighed under 350lbs, manufactures could easily build light weight 400-500cc "unicorn" bikes if they really wanted to and I believe they could do it without the bikes costing a premium and wouldn't cost any more or less than any bikes being made today.

    The T7 and KTM 790 are steps in the right direction, but modern 400-500cc dirt orientated ADV bikes are just not being serviced by the major manufacturers. I believe that these bikes would be some of the most popular ADV bikes out there.

    IMO, lots of the 250cc DS guys would make the switch and lots of the guys on the bigger ADV bikes would make the switch etc...

    These really could be ideal BDR, TAT bikes where you could be reasonably comfortable slabbing it there and still get reasonable performance on the dirt.

  10. Lesharoturbo

    Lesharoturbo Nerdly Adventurer

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    It is a completely new engine
  11. SoCalCub

    SoCalCub Been here awhile

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    How much additional weight would it add to the current 386 lbs.? I'd like to stay under 400 lbs. or so since I'm using a trailer-hitch carrier.
  12. cyclopathic

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    Ninja 400 is 15lbs lighter than Ninja 300 but half of it due to less gas.
  13. cyclopathic

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    Listed weight for 790 ADV 417lbs and wet weight for 1190 was 51lbs over factory dry.. because when KTM says dry they mean no battery, oil, gas coolant or fork fluid.

    At 468lbs it is coincidentally weights the same as V-Strom 650.. still very respectful but lightweight?

    T700 weight not listed expect it to be ~20lbs more; otherwise they have had put decent size tank on it more than 4.1gal.

    The only platforms currently in production which could produce a 400lbs ADV bike are Kwak's N400 and KTM 390.. maybe if Yamaha decides to use R3. But they won't because they have already invested into T700.
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  14. DavidM1

    DavidM1 Unicorn hunting

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  16. eakins

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    And then load up a DL650 or 790 or T7 with proper guards, plates, racks, luggage etc and you are WELL over 500lbs.
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  17. 11motos

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    You want speculations? we got that!

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  18. SoCalCub

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    Depends on what the pricing (TBD) is for the revised '19 CB500X with its 19" front. There may be no profitable niche left for an X400, but Honda might overprice the CB and leave the door open. The '18 CBs are $6600 MSRP. The '18 X300s are $5400 MSRP.
  19. Dirtdeville

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    I may have missed it but if it’s not spoked it doesn’t matter.
  20. GhettoCanuck

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    It's not spoked, BUT it makes installing spoked rims cheaper and easier.

    If Honda doesn't make a spoked "R" model, they are fools.
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