Versys-X 400 speculations thread

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by PaD, Oct 26, 2017.

  1. 11motos

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    I will leave that to the color specialists. lol. ..imo whatever color you get you will get tired of it.
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    I always wanted a Kawasaki Green bike.
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    GhettoCanuck Been here awhile

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    I see my mockup made it to the correct thread without me! Kawasaki_VersysX_400_Rally.jpg
    Here is an updated version with a new seat and crash bars. I won't demand payment if you decide to set this picture as your desktop. ;)
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    I like this seat. Since you added suspension anyway. Can you put the lower fender on it. Please.

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    GhettoCanuck Been here awhile

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    Kawasaki_VersysX_400_Touring.jpg
    Is this more your flavour @rideforzen ? Note the lack of "rally" on the fairing and crash bars, I have decided this is the new touring model.
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    Sweet ! Thanks.
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    The_Precious_Juice The Virginian

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    Does not look good for the 2019 X 400.

    Check out these specs

    Kawi will not even come close to making enough of these.
    Price only went up $300 in Canada. Holy Sh¢t. What value!

    https://www.kawasaki.ca/product/ninja-400
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    Ok, now that's going to be my laptop background pic. Kawi needs to build this bike. I would get the X a big brother or something. You know it would gain weight but potentially rock off-road and on. Not that the X is a slouch. It gives it a nice presence. People will do this to the X in time. Well with an exhaust bracket. Thanks again.
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    Honestly, I enjoy modifying bikes for free with the click of a mouse. It's really no problem. I can take requests for pretty much anything if you so desire.
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    IMO it doesn't really matter than much. values at the crank are pretty arbitrary anyway.
    Once we see the dyno values at the wheel then is what is going to matter and they should be pretty decent based on what we know so far
    and the fact that these bikes have an efficient group and transmission all the way from the crank to the wheel.
    I am looking at the advertised torque at 8000 rpm to make a really sweet deal on this engine and provide a wider smoother curve but w/o sacrificing on the high rev fun.
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    I mean... based on the Ninja gearing ... and potentially a new 400 ...
    Initially and IMO that is where the bike between 60mph and 90mph is going to feel very responsive in 5 or 6 gear and around 5000 to 8000 rpm.
    and then obviously more speed but I think in the passing and moving around highway is where the engine should feel pretty alive.
    The torque will also help off road in 1st gear too and coming out of corners in a mountain pass or cayon road in 3,4, 5 gear.

    Again, just speculation but I am sure ninja buyers will be very happy.

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    So a versys 400 thread, wonderful prototype pics and no wish list?

    This is my wish list:

    - Ninja 400 engine with a pretty low 1st gear ratio. The rest can be an open ratio. Power and torque range looks pretty versatile.
    - At least 200mm of travel in the suspensions. They do not have to be expensive cartridge but classic ones with some simple
    adjustments like preload/rebound and 5 positions from lets say 160 to 260lbs? Classic emulator/valve and springs if needed, nothing
    too fancy to be effective and keep the bike in the price range.
    - A few seat options ideally compatible with the 300 so they can both benefit from this.
    - A light muffler up or make it two sections with a midpipe option for those who want more aggressive off road.
    - Don't want too much plastic or fairings also can save weight while keeping enough wind protection.
    - A switch to turn off the ABS as needed.

    Not really much more, just keep it light and fun like the 300. The rest I am sure the aftermarket will cover.

    What about two kits, one more adv cruising oriented and the other lighter more off road oriented?

    Lets see what happens but I am thinking maybe next season get a 300 and then later lower that one for my wife.
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    With the torque advantage they could make 6th an over drive for more relaxed cruising. Possibly ?
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    That I would like.
    And tubeless wire spoke wheel and LED lighting. Same weight as 300 please.
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    I think we should expect more LED from now on.
    Regarding the tubeless tires that might actually raise the price or are there tubeless spoke wheels that can compete in cost?
    What I have seen they are easy enough to convert anyway.
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    That is a great idea but I think it would be reasonable to think they would keep the ninja 400 engine with different gearing ratio and tuned up a bit for mixed use.

    But I do think if they keep the same 6th gear reduction as the Ninja 400 that should make a very good cruiser with a very decent response in the 6K to 10k rpm.
    Most people would find it a pleasure to cruise at 6-8K rpm that is where the happy torque goes according to the ninja. It seems like a sweet spot for the 300 too
    so for the 400 would be the same just with a bit wider band and a bit more speed if they provide a similar gearing relation.

    I do believe a really a further reduced 1st gear will be very handy and will further differentiate the bike from others. One should be able to start in 2nd gear and then 5th and 6th
    gear for cruising at decent speeds where the engine is going to be happier. I would reserve the 1st gear for off road and other situations.
    Also make a stupid easy quick swap system for the front sprocket should one want to add or remove a tooth for an specific adventure.

    IMO most things we are suggesting here should not impact much the cost of the bike. They are just better engineering choices and in order to increase versatility IMO.
    Versatility = freedom.
    VERSYS = VERsatility SYStem ? lol
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    I agree but the 2nd gear starts won't happen if you go down to 1st. Kawis nuteral finder thingy. Not my favorite item on the bikes.
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    I know, that is why it is on the wish list.
    We need dumber phones and smarter people!! lol
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