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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by PaD, Oct 26, 2017.
And that's a pig.
The MT-07 was under 400lbs compared to the CB500F!
so all in all almost 35lbs lighter.
47hp vs 75hp.
Price was not too far away either.
47hp is adequate in the right weight of bike - something 20+kg lighter than the Honda would do.
I think this would make a better candidate for adventurising than the 390 Duke (spoked wheels etc) but they are producing the 390 Adventure and I don't like the side details on the tank with the brand on - they stick out so not show if standing on one on a trail would keep hitting your legs?
Kawasaki would be mad not to put this 400 engine into a K4 - an almost perfect RTWer, great service intervals.
The X 300 has been very successful.
Odds are Kawi will make some kind of ADV Bike out of her.
The next level up from Japan would be the 689cc T7. She is like 452lbs, but top heavy.
I always thought 35hp was fine on the MIGHTY DR.
The 400 will have about 5 more horses and still be 30lbs lighter than the KLR.
Way smoother and much lower COG. In three years, the 400 would establish it self right behind the RGS in North America. Hell, she might surpass the BMW in sales.
I combine RGS and RGSA sales together.
It's almost $1K more expensive than the Duke, which is mechanically identical save for the wheels and almost 50% more fuel capacity (9.5 vs 13.5 liters). I'll take the extra gas and tubeless wheels from the Duke.
But if you are thinking of doing a street to scrambler conversion, maybe the Z400 is a better place to start?
I like that you can easily disable the rear ABS on the Duke, and it is said to be pretty smooth for a single. But that's the thing, it's still a single. Anything that involves longer road rides would probably be nicer on a twin, regardless of how smooth that single is. And that's w/o considering KTM's legendary reliability and maintainability...
The 400 is more refined than the 390.
On two wheels did a great idea.
Please go to the 4.50 mark
The ktm 390 has not been that reliable and it is not an inexpensive machine to maintain.
Kawa has the lead on reliability and tco.
Yamaha should consider a T4 based on the r3 twin. 399cc , 7 ton8 inches travel front and back and keep it closer.to 170kg than 200kg. 45hp, 47, 50... doesnt matter. Lightness, a bit more torque, simplicity and affordability is more important for those who want a do it all machine or are between budget friendly dual sport and something they can use to commute and higheay trips.
That is why thumpers and specially 250s are not so appealing. The CRF 450 missed the mark by going Pro Enduro. So a great answer to a No-need.
What if Husky threw in a man bun ? Lol joking !
They tried to reinvent the rack by putting it on the tank instead of the rear. More traditional fenders would help also. Imo And a larger tank. And keep the spokes. Some 3m tape to go tubeless if it was important.
Really wish this would happen soon.
The wife wants something more road friendly than her DR650.
Right now we're looking at the Ninja 400, the Versys 300X, and the FZ07.
She doesn't do much of any dirt.
The FZ07 has the beautiful sounding lump going for it. Incredible value on a fun bike.
The Ninja 400 is super light with a fun motor.
Versys is more offroady with good wind coverage but I live at 9,300ft so could use a bit more powah.
Hurry Kawasaki, make it happen.
Do you mean why they are tardy or why we think they should develop bikes like that?
Regardless the situation with big 4 their products are internal Japan driven and there's no DS/ADV demand in Japan. If you look any recent bikes big4 built be it DR Big, V-Strom or Tenere they all came from Europe or they're 40yo recycles like Africa Twin.
The 250cc dual sports are 3rd world driven where the roads are bad, taxes on big bikes steep, distances short and and something like CRF250L makes perfect sense as an upgrade for city bike. The idea that someone needs it to chump along at 75mph and being able to go 250mi on tankfull just doesn't cross their minds.
We already had that bike way back .. KLE 400 .. Smaller KLE 500 with the ninja engine at that time (GPz 500)
That would be fine - a new KLE400 with the new Ninja engine in it. 175kg, please.
I spoke with a Regional Kawasaki Rep this past Saturday and he said the Versys-X 400 is on the way.
He said the x300 proved to Kawasaki that there was a market for Light ADV bikes and they aim to improve with the X400.
I'm sure the 400 will be a better bike in a lot of ways, but I really like my little 300.
Woohoo! +1" suspension and 170kg?
Awesome news, did he hint at a possible release date? 2020/2021?
If it's coming it should be on similar trajectory what X300 was: EICMA, January 1 in EU due to Euro5, early Q2 in US
With a handle like Big John, and a Avatar of John Wayne, I feel like this is reliable news!!
A Versys means we might still get a mid size dual sport too.
Not holding my breath.
The naked bike is one step closer.
I keep forgetting how light the bike is. Just 364lbs!!
If the X 400 is 385.9lbs (same as the X 300) we will have a ADV BIKE of the year for sure.
That will make the 310GS weak sauce. Same goes for the CBX.
It would be about 80lbs lighter than the DL650. $8,799 MSRP.
AND much lower COG!!
And Kawi has the Z400 ABS at $4,799. Crazy.
What if the X 400 non ABS stays at $5,499?
$3,300 to upgrade to the DL650??
Nah. Not when you are 1up. And you tour alone.