Vietnam: Along the Chinese Border. Real Time Report

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by mb300, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Lone Stranger

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    Sounds like jealousy to me.
  2. Lone Stranger

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    The US/Vn "conflict" was long before my time so I don't have a stake in the argument, but far too many people believe the US military was defeated when even HCM himself admitted they had lost and was surprised when the US pulled out.
  3. Seth S

    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    No one actually wins at war
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  5. appliance57

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    Nope. One thing about invading another country - you have to win, and they just have to endure.
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  6. mb300

    mb300 Been here awhile

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    Going west I've flown JAL, Asiana, KAL, Quantas, and now EVA.

    EVA has been the best, followed by Quantas > JAL > Asiana >> KAL (again, my opinion, your results may vary). All have been good compared to US domestic airlines, but EVA was really nice. Lots of legroom and attentive, but not annoying, service. No 2am wake up to sell duty free shit (I'm talking to you KAL).

    Bonus to flying EVA air is that the TPE airport is surprisingly nice, and also hilarious.

    Spicy Beef Noodles that were really good, and only $7 for a combo meal:

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    It's the year of the pig:

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    Hello Kitty giftshop:

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    Hello Kitty airport gate:

    (destination is Seoul of course)
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    Hello Kitty phone booths:

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    (I've got a Hello Kitty Airplane photo around here somewhere....)
  7. GregDavidL

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    I like EVA Air also. Very good airline to fly with.
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  8. jowul

    jowul Been here awhile

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    Old saying in Colombia: "he who hesitates looses"
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  9. jowul

    jowul Been here awhile

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    Dredging for gold?
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  10. packeteer

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    just my 2 cents about a few topics...

    I've just returned from Cao Bang and Ninh Binh areas. great areas to ride, even when the roads were terrible.
    - my Viet gf has not experienced any issues with racism etc.
    - I think Hanoi traffic is worst than Saigon, but that may be because I've driven around HCM a lot more
    - locals do pay income tax, also high import duties on many goods

    thanks for your write up and pics, I always forget to document my rides.
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  11. Lone Stranger

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    I will do that!!!
  12. jowul

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    Thank you for an excellent RR. I have never visited VN, however am frequently in neighboring Laos. One of these days I will cross that border.
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    IMG_1457.JPG IMG_1458.JPG Great writeup. We just got back from 2 weeks in northern VN in early April. Hanoi, Ha Long, Da Nang, and Hoi An. Crazy trip and we had a blast. We rented scooters in Hoi An to get away from the tourist area and had a great ride. Walked up to rental guy in front of a hotel and asked how much. He says, $5. I say for how long and he says all day. We give him ten bucks and he says, "what time you back." Me - 5:30? He says ok, and hands us the keys. No paperwork, no ID, no insurance. Gotta love it.

    I'm ready to go back!
  14. mb300

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    ^^ That is hilarious
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  15. RetiredandRiding

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    Documentation?
  16. Tazui1982

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    Hcm, great man he was, died in 1969, Us troops pulled out in 1972. He might have said what you wrote above but ive never seen written or televised documentations on that topic. On another side note regardless of the outcome, winners-northerners or loserd southerners suffered famine and poverty for over 20 years once America imposed embargo on Vietnam when our troops invaded Campuchia in 1975.
  17. Tazui1982

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    I just asked my father in law, a veteran about this topic and he said that in 1975 when his batallion was fighting in Laos, heard the news on the radio that the war was over and the woman om the radio said that we (VC) won. And he kept believing until now that we won. So yeah u are right that a lot of people do believe in victory.
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    To anyone interested in some interesting history about the war, here are a couple of references I would highly recommend. There is also of course the Ken Burns series....

    Disclaimer: These may be considered to come from a more "Leftist", "anti-war" perspective, which is my perspective, so if you think the USA was 100% right in what we tried to do/did there, these may not be for you.

    excellent podcast: http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/02-saigon-1965

    amazing, award-winning documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/lastdays/

    great books by a historian who is an expert on the war:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0142004499/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i2
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0143128345/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0
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  19. RetiredandRiding

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  20. Sal Pairadice

    Sal Pairadice Captain Obvious

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    MBR - thank you for this amazing ride report, which I did follow in real time as you posted. It just stirred my desire to visit Vietnam. Congratulations on you trip and thanks again for the report. It opened my eyes a bit more.
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