What First Scooter to choose?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by VN_Biker, Apr 27, 2008.

  1. VN_Biker

    VN_Biker Adventurer

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    Hi all. I'm looking for my first scooter, 50-150ish cc.

    I prefer Japan made ones. Reliability is key, but price is too.

    I was thinkin
    Zuma
    Ruckus
    etc.
    I'm not into retro.
    I plan to ride it 3x/week, 10-45mins @ a time.
    Thanks!
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  2. HiTechRedneck

    HiTechRedneck Big Ruckin'

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    What's the MINIMUM speed you need to maintain where you're riding?

    What're you looking to spend?

    How experienced a rider are you?
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  3. VN_Biker

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    Minimum speed is generally 15 below posted.
    Back road here is 40, so i need to go at least 25.

    $$ is ? to $2.5k. Not many good used ones in east bay
    San Fran area. 50cc sounds like a good starter.
    Depending on how often I scooter, I'll probably upgrade
    that in a few years.

    Or if I get lazy 1 may only use the 50cc a few times/month.

    But I can use it for
    - groceries (i'm just buying food for
    1 person).
    - errands
    - go to parks, marina, stores, coffee shops etc.

    I drove a scooter less than an hour in my life.
    But have been on the back of 1 for a few weeks,
    touring Vietnam.
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  4. Photog

    Photog Charismatic Megafauna

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    Look at terrain and the flow-of-traffic speeds, not just the posted speed limit, on your routes that you think you'll be using.

    If you're on a posted 40mph road and everyone pretty much sticks to that speed, it's one thing...but if the majority of cars are averaging 15mph+ over that, you might need to rethink scoot size or route. Sometimes it's as simple as adjusting your route to hit quieter streets.

    Same for terrain...if it's hilly, a 50cc scoot may or may not do the trick, depending on whether you're fighting off hoards of leadfoots, or just bumbling along with a slower flow of traffic.

    Consider taking an MSF Basic Rider Course. You'll learn on small motorcycles they supply, but the basic skills transfer well. MSF also offers a half-day scooter school but it's not widely available yet.

    I commute on a 50cc bike and love it...there's just some things you have to think about in order to co-exist with traffic, particularly if you don't already have some motorcycling experience--particularly as a commuter doing battle in dense traffic--to draw upon.
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  5. Max Dongo

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    You need a 125, or a derestricted 50cc two stroke. Good luck finding a Japanese one. Most of the good ones, including the Yamaha Vino, are made in Taiwan.

    The Kymco Agility is a great 125, and you can get a great deal on one. PM me for details.
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  6. HiTechRedneck

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    X2 on the above posts.

    You're best bet is to stick with the known branded scoots. Honda, Yamaha, etc. But Genuine and Kymco are miles above the cheap Chinese stuff and daily getting closer in quality to the Nippon bikes.

    Genuine Buddy 125, Rattler 110, and they have a 150
    Aprilia Mojito
    Yamaha Zuma and C3
    Honda Ruckus (mebbe the slowest 4 stroke out there, but defnitely the coolest :D)
    Check out some of the Kymcos

    Get out and LOOK and test ride, if you can. Sit on em, check leg room, places to attach milkcrates, storage, etc.

    The older geared scoots are great, too. And the modern version thereof. But they require a bit more wrenching and getting accustomed to. But if it's your first scoot, I'd stick with the modern twist n go's, imo.
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  7. approachbears

    approachbears 250cc is 50cc too many

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    Do some research about 2 strokes before you commit to one. Apart from being very polluting, there are longevity considerations. Yes a 50cc 2 can be modded to way out do a 50cc 4, but there are costs. And don't confuse Taiwanese or Korean with Chinese. There are very significant differences in quality. I ended up buying a made-in-Japan Japanese scoot, but not because I found the Taiwanese or Korean models lacking in build quality. Kymco and Buddy seem to have good reputations. Dealer availability, purchase price, style of scooter, and ergonomics related to my specific body (handle bars, leg room, etc...) ended up deciding it for me. You're going to be different. Buy lightly used if you can, the cost savings can be pretty trememdous.
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  8. HiTechRedneck

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    Oh yeah, I forgot about the Yama Vinos, 49cc and 125cc.

    Classic styling and the 125 will do 60 mph!
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  9. approachbears

    approachbears 250cc is 50cc too many

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    The Honda Metropolitan (not the Metropolitan II) is the same engine as the Ruckus, but it is faster. Probably the fastest 4 stroke 50 on the market. And it seems generally agreed upon over at the totalruckus and ruckuscentral discussion sites that the '06 and newer Ruckii come from the factory as fast (time to get up to top speed as well as top speed) as doing typical mods (cdi, etc...) on the pre-'06's. Definitely check out the scooter specific discussion boards, they have more detailed reviews than here and easy mods (like a $5 air filter that seems to noticably up acceleration).
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  10. VN_Biker

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    Thanks Guys

    Vino: I'm not crazy about the design.
    Zuma: Stylish, 50cc
    Kymco Agility: a possibility but reliability?

    I sat on the Ruckus. It's stylish but has hole under the seat.
    The Zuma has a covered storage area there, which i like a lil
    better.

    I like to ride with the weight on my legs, not sitting on my butt
    so much. Like when I pedal bike, I stand on the pedals often.
    A racing bike, i lean too far forward.

    Work has slowed abit, so I won't be able to get a scooter
    for awhile.
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  11. ernest t bass

    ernest t bass Been here awhile

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    Keep your eyes peeled on craigslist in San Francisco.

    IMO - Find a Used Honda Elite
    The 80 will go 35 to 40 mph - $ 400 to 600
    the 150 will go 50 to 60 - $800 to 1000
    the 250 will go 65 to 70 - $900 to 1400
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  12. HiTechRedneck

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    Yup, 'tis true...there's also a BigBore kit available for the LR and all sortsa goodies. But that's for when you get seriously bit by the Ruck Bug :D
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  13. pennintj

    pennintj Down & Dirty Mechanic

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    If you like the Zuma, you'll like The Genuine Roughhouse 50.
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    It's a better bike than the Zuma (and I *love* the Zuma) and if you don't mind Yellow with cats all over it you can get a Black Cat for *much* cheaper......New.

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    We love them. Sold them to a ton of people including for use as Rentals. The cat faces will come off with a heat gun & some goo-off (watch you don't melt the plastics)

    Dealers won't have them in stock, but can get them easy. Or look on the modernbuddy website:
    http://www.modernbuddy.com

    Top speed when de-restricted will get you 5mph (at least) more than a Zuma. You also get a 2-year warranty and roadside assistance versus Yamaha's 1 year & no roadside.

    -=Tom
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  14. BikePilot

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    A guy at my school has a Piaggo Typhoon, looks like a cool scoot and I think you can get a new one within your price range.

    Also, if you like your feet under you and the ability to stand while riding, perhaps a small motorcycle would suit you better? A DR200SE will get 100mpg, cruise at 50mph all day and gives you a motorcycle feel. You do need a mc liscense though, but that's true for scoots over 50cc as well I think.

    good luck and have fun:clap
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  15. VN_Biker

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    Black Cat: Those Cats look aweful. It looks like something
    out of a cartoon, or a Hello Kitty groupie. + the Yellow & Red don't go
    well together. I don't mind yellow or red by themselves.

    Well I've stood on the baseboard while driving a scooter, but i don't
    think its legal!

    My friend is in love with the Ruckus. It will be cool to ride as
    a group once we all get scoots. But he & I have to work a few months to
    save up.
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  16. DC950

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    I guess I accepted a long time ago that mopeds and scooters are like being with an ugly girl: a lot of fun to ride but you don't want anyone to see you on one. The Black Cat is so stupidly obnoxious and I would look like such a geek on it, that I can't help but like it.
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    Just remember, fat ugly chicks need love, too. :D
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