Wheel bearing disintegrates - F800

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  1. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    You have external grease seals thats job it is to keep the shit out of the bearings

    Pack the grease seals and void with grease, make sure they fit well and have good spacer surfaces that they seal on, this is the only grease you should have to touch and check each time you take a wheel off

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  2. SnoDrtRider

    SnoDrtRider I've been lost here before...

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    Agree 100%...
    I was out for a ride on Saturday and heard a clunking from the front. I figured it was steering head bearings.
    When I got home I found it was the left bearing in the front wheel.
    I took it apart yesterday and found that the right side which had grease packed under the seal was fine but the left which was dry under the seal was bad.
    Anything you can do to supplement the seal in preventing water infiltration is a good idea.
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  3. kenny robert

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    LETS PUT IT THIS WAY THOSE BEARINGS WILL PUKE OUT THE GREASE AND MAKE HORRIBLE NOISES
    they call a ball bearing a rolling element bearing because they roll
    too much grease or oil and they basically try to hyhdroplane and start skidding not rolling
    grease gets hot burns the lube.createing abrassivec carbon. destroys bearing in some situations
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  4. shuswap1

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    OK, thanks. I have put in quite a bit too much grease, should be around .116 fl oz. (apparently), according to this BelRay site:
    http://www.belray.com/bearing-failure-due-over-lubrication
    I'll probably just continue and monitor the bearing, given that it is a press fit and I'd destroy the bearings anyway in order to remove them and de-grease. CRAP, quite a few $ and lots of time involved but thanks for the education on greasing.
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  5. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    It never seases to amaiz me why ametures think they know more about how much grease a bearing needs than manufactures that have been making bearings for decades in all sorts of applications
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    Well, 2 things come to mind, one is your cheap shot and the other the manufacturing source of the bearings, both of which are apparently seeking the quality-level bottom.
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  7. outty

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    oh snap.
  8. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    Interested to know because i just cant remember, is the side that was dry and failed the spacer side or the side that the grease seal runs on the larger dia part of the axle ?

    If its the spacer side that failed i’ll almost bet you find a groove on the surface of the spacer tgat the grease seal has made, thats what lets the shit in and grease out

    Edit: partly answered my own question as i found an old photo i had, it is the spacer side that failed for you as i suspected, where i put the red arrow is where you find a groove in the alloy spacer, lets the shit in and grease out

    Either buy new BMW alloy spacers which will groove again in 20,000km or buy the stainless after market ones and fix the problem for ever and reduce the bearing failure rate down to what a normal motorcycle wheel bearing failure rate is

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  9. SnoDrtRider

    SnoDrtRider I've been lost here before...

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    I checked the spacer carefully and no pronounced groove just a shiny spot where the seal rides can't even feel it with my fingernail.
    Far fetched but could be from being on the side toward traffic and road splash.
    I know cars usually wear front suspension part more on the shoulder side of the road due to potholes being more prevalent on the shoulder.

    Why is your axle nut rusted? Mine is aluminum as is the spacer.
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  10. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    Did you put a new grease seal in ?
    If the seal was doing its job it wouldnt matter about the road splash

    Never seen an alloy nut there

  11. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    Example spacer, seal lip wears too

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  12. SnoDrtRider

    SnoDrtRider I've been lost here before...

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    Yes both seals and bearings new and my spacer looks like a new one compared to that!
    In the kit there were three seals, two of the same ID and one of a larger ID which is what my 2013 uses. I assume earlier bikes have the same size seals on each side. Perhaps that is the reason for the accelerated wear on the spacer?
    My bike has the WP forks and the axle saddles are different sizes.
  13. DSRPilot

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    Check your rear Axle to see if it's bent. My local bike shop that has been helping me sort out my wife's bearing failure found a bent rear axle as they were putting it all back together.
    You couldn't see the bend by looking at it, but they put the axle on a lathe to spin it, and it was then apparent it was bent. Unsure if it was bent before the bearing failure, or as a result of the bearing failure. Not even sure how you would bend the dang thing...
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  14. DSRPilot

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    So here is the final update (hopefully) on my wife's bike.

    After the bearing failure, we towed the bike to a shop. The mechanic diagnosed the failed rear bearing(s) and then replaced them without discovering a reason as to why bearings with 6,000 miles on them failed.
    Bike was back on the road for 3 weeks or so.

    Upon doing some research I found this thread and read the whole thing which took a while. The things I read and the other failures people experienced had me feeling uneasy about just replacing the bearings without understanding why they failed in such a short time frame.

    We were at a point in the summer where we weren't going to be able to ride for two weeks, so I talked to a number of local bike shops that worked with machine shops that could measure the bore.
    I took the rear wheel and all the components to the chosen bike shop along with a new set of bearings with green waterproof grease in them. They had the machine shop measure the bore and the report was that the crush was correct. That was not the problem.

    The tube spacer (SPACER SLEEVE, INTERIOR) in the middle of the hub looked suspect and we decided to replace all of the spacers. Took 1.5 weeks to get them from BMW.
    When the bike shop put the wheel back together something didn't feel right, so they looked at the axle. It looked fine, but when they put it on a lathe it was clearly bent. You can't see it by eye, but when it's spinning it's obvious.

    I've ordered a new axle from BMW, but in the meantime found a good used one not too far away, had it verified straight by the bike shop and have that in the bike until the new one comes in.
    Bike was down for about 3 weeks, and feel that all the components in the hub are either new or at least to spec, but didn't find a definitive problem other than the axle.

    Big question is, did the bent axle cause the bearing failure or was it bent as the result of the bearing failure?

    We'll probably never know...
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    Very good question ......which preceded the other.....and do you know the history of the bike well enough to know whether the axle was subjected to abnormal use/abuse?
  16. BygDaddee

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    my bet would be the failure bent the axle

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  17. DSRPilot

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    We bought the bike used, so no, not really. The person we bought it from was a very nice guy and he did far more off road on the bike than we have done. He had even changed the countershaft sprocket to -1 tooth for better off road response, so he was serious about his off road.
    It had about 12,000 miles on it when purchased. Has 26,000'ish miles today. During a tire change around 20k miles we had the bearings changed.
    Normally, I take the wheel off the bike when I have the shop do the tires, and don't take the axle in with it.

    The first shop after the bearing failure had the whole bike and didn't see the bent axle although it clearly was bent by this point. not visible by eye, had to spin it at speed to see the bend. It was was second shop 3 weeks later that found the bent axle luckily...
  18. DSRPilot

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    Quite likely. When the bearing failed it took about 50-100 ft to get the bike to the side of the road. The whole bike shook like it was breaking at the steering tube about once per chain rotation. At first we thought it was in the front, then realized it was in the back. I had just riveted my first chain 5 riding hours prior (dirt bikes use clips) and I wondered if I did something wrong. We had to get the bike another 100ft or so from our stopped position to a safe area once we got to the side of the road, so there was plenty of opportunity to bend the axle after the failure.

    I just can't image how you would bend that thick tube of steel while it was in the bike properly supported by 3 good bearings and that inner sleeve.

    I wish I had found something more definitive than the axle so I could feel more comfortable about the wheel going forward. Just not the case. I've taken every reasonable suggestion from this 83 page thread and used the knowledge to have the wheel inspected and measured for the existing parts, and added new parts (all spacers) and well lubed quality bearings.

    It's all I can think to do... Ride and Pray...
  19. rodrigzj

    rodrigzj Been here awhile

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    Well there is definitely something wrong with the wheels or bearing for it to happen and to have a thread like this.
    I myself don’t feel to comfortable repairing the BMW rear wheel in hopes that it or when it will happen again.
    I think I will just order a custom wheel from Woodys wheels and call it a day.
    Your suppose to be on the bike to enjoy the ride not wonder when your wheel bearings are going to go out after a few thousand miles.
    Kind of bullshit that BMW doesn’t do anything about it or even recognize that it is some sort of design flaw.



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