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Who else lives with the Black Dog?

Discussion in 'Australia' started by FatBoyCrash, Jun 24, 2009.

  1. Portly

    Portly Plodder

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    The first step to recovery for me from anxiety and subsequent OCD was getting it into my head that the fears are mostly irrational.
    This wasn't the cure but it was the start.
    When anxiety was high I would think whatever it is it is going to happen.
    When I would step back and think about it I would know the thinking was irrational.
    It still took a lot of time but gradually I got into a better frame of mind.
    I have had a couple of issues in my life and with the first one my OCD rubbed off onto some one important to me so I had to get a handle on it to help them.
    The most recent issue that started early last year due to managers changing and my new manager wanting to cover his arse over a medical issue, was still hitting my family three months after I accepted medical retirement. Due to my anger home wasn't the happy place it should be. Once I snapped out of that, life has been mostly good.
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  2. stujamur

    stujamur keep rollin rollin rollin

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    Its a prick of a thing.
    i have being mostly good for ages and these last few weeks i have being waking up with the slightly sick feeling in my stomach, and strange uneasiness in my chest . Worried over silly stuff, stuff i should be looking forward to.
    Wife sent me to kinesiology and she reckon i need zinc , b12, magnesium. So hopefully that helps , seeing as i have being here before kinda know it means to take more time to chill & try meditate even for 5 min in the morning, and get my gut health right . Often find my guy health needs to be right for my head to right.
  3. Suncoaster

    Suncoaster Been here awhile

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    Kinesiology is bullshit.
    Get yourself to a real doctor.
    We all need zinc, b12 and magnesium.
  4. Kiwirich

    Kiwirich Been here awhile

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    Hey @Suncoaster
    May well be Bullshit to you ...
    But could be a completely different answer for others.
    They may even like it,
    Thanks for sharing your opinion though.

    Kiwirich
  5. stujamur

    stujamur keep rollin rollin rollin

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    Dont worry mate see the western docs too

    Got my 6 free visits to psych that way , but they can only prescribe you western meds which not everyone wants or needs .

    I have found over the years alernative therapies have being very helpful to my health, mental & physical .
  6. GTinAus

    GTinAus nutsplitter

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    Magnesium is indeed an essential element for our good health. In fact it is essential in all mammals. In cattle, a lack of magnesium, with fresh green grass growth, can lead to a sudden death syndrome called grass tetany.

    Many years ago, I spent 12 months on a Barkly Downs station, to toughen me up, according to my father, which it did, at 17.

    However, one thing I remember, when cattle were being sent by road train to the abattoir in Townsville, we used to inject them with a magnesium solution, which was claimed to calm them down for the trip.

    I take a mega magnesium tablet every day, and I find I start to get anxious when I don't take any for a couple of weeks.

    it's possibly just a placebo effect, but hey, it works for me.
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  7. Suncoaster

    Suncoaster Been here awhile

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    I too find magnesium useful for muscular soreness, and take it before exertion.
    Apologies for offending anyone, just don't like seeing vulnerable people exploited by shysters.
  8. Gasman_ADV

    Gasman_ADV Been here awhile

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    You know it's a funny thing
    Years ago now I was having a very rough time of it... Kept dreaming shit.. Waking up 9 times a night felt like I couldn't get a REM sleep.. Went on for weeks... Months..
    Was going to a naturapath and she suggested to go see this lady..

    I had no idea who she was or what she did..

    She was a spiritual healer
    Layed down on the table had the crystals on me.. The spiritual stuff the whole lot..

    From the time I walked out.. The dreaming stopped.... It was amazing.

    It started quite a spiritual journey for me.. A good journey and one that is good for me.
  9. Portly

    Portly Plodder

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    I take Blackmores Executive B stress formula which is a multivitamin and mineral with a focus on the B.
    I reckon this helps me keep me a bit calmer, and as a side effect I have only had one cold in the last two years.
    I also pedal for two hours plus most days when I am at home which gives me a lot of thinking time and getting the heart rate up is great for stress issues.
  10. hunter_greyghost

    hunter_greyghost XS650 Allroads Traveller

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    Oh good we're talking drugs
    I'm in the 5% of the population that has adverse reactions to certain drugs - some just don't work while others have a reverse effect !
    Magnesium, Codeine and some of the Metagenics Natural range work for me - some of the time !
    Use a lot of special oils to try and 'lubricate' affected parts of the body, my lovely lady Bev is a Natural Therapist, so I'm lucky but not everything solves the issue - just eases some pain
    Unfortunately - what works for some doesn't work for others = fact, never condemn what you don't understand or believe in or what doesn't work for you.
    One of the main problems for a lot of folks is that the real cause is the bastards who delight in stalking / bullying / and other forms of intimidation.
    Today is a Forte' x2 before breakfast [which have just kicked in !] - had a big day gardening yesterday = paying for it today - thanks Uncle Arthritis
    Having worked in High Support Disability makes a bloke realise our woes are not too bad - we can do a lot to help ourselves - they can't most of the time !
    Anyway, hope you are all travelling OK today,
    Cheers
    Baza
  11. Hay Ewe

    Hay Ewe Just a Wannabe

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  12. Oldfatbeerman

    Oldfatbeerman Enroute to a PUB

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    Thanks for that link HU , it is a pity no one is interested in what is the root cause of the problem though . Men's mental health is not at a record crisis point for no fathomable reason . The movers and shakers of this world don't want to know what is causing it though , they want to go the "Medicate" route rather than fix the causes . I expect it to keep getting worse until there actually is a major critical impact upon society other than loss of loved ones . Can't see it happening soon though .
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  13. Colonial Mick

    Colonial Mick FEMINISM KILLED CHIVALRY

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    It may well be bullshit but placebos can often work extremely well on people if they think they are beneficial. Its all in what goes on in the mind and so much so, that "Pointing the bone" at an aboriginal by the Kaditcha man can have fatal outcomes for them.
    I have learnt to say nothing no matter what I think about a treatment if it seems to help and a lot of the time I am with you Suncoaster.
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  14. xrsism

    xrsism Been here awhile

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    Want to add in an experience seeing the topic on recent pages was surrounding this.

    I was seeing a psychologist (David from Denmark) recently for what I thought was going to be about my depression from a back injury and marriage troubles. After a few sessions we got talking a bit about my youth and one of the things we talked about was the suicides that happened with the young crew in Esperance around that time. I'm sad to say I don't have enough fingers and toes.

    What I realised through talking about this is how much it has affected my life without acknowledging it. I have a real tendancy with work and life in general to reject situations if I find I the fun is gone or I have bad situations with coworkers. To the degree that I will chuck in the job or totally discommunicate. So far the most I have worked anywhere is a two yrs with most a lot less. I tend to base my life around having as much fun as possible and while this sounds great it gets me into a lot of trouble. The reason being because of the trauma and the fact that I now treat life as being so short. Our crew grew the motto here for a good time not a long time and its something Ive held on too.

    I suppose the message is there are sometimes significant things that happens in our lives that we cant recognise until we talk it through with someone that can spot them and draw out the reasons for our behaviours. It has helped me come to grips as too why I act the way I do and with understanding I can now recognise it and perhaps live with it.

    So I can only suggest to people do yourself a favour and get it out there.
  15. hunter_greyghost

    hunter_greyghost XS650 Allroads Traveller

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    Was headed to the ' Deadman Gulch' rally but decided against it - with the wind and a crook right shoulder,
    nah rather woose out and chill out around here - plenty to do & sleeping in my own bed with a hot chick is way better idea !
    I know I should go but 100+1 reasons to stay home - admitting to age & injury was thrown at me the other day
    Well, I'm admitting and chosing when and where to rally,
    Well travel well folks
    Cheers
    Baza
  16. Gravelroadster

    Gravelroadster Adventurer

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    Hi everyone.
    I havent checked in on this topic for a while and so much has happened!

    Loftybob...so sorry to hear about your back. All the best to you and your family in the coming months. Hopefully the sugeons can do their magic and check back with us if you feel the need...we can only try to help. And, yes, be very proud of your military service. I never served my country, but I tip my hat to you all who have and just wish you had a fairer post military life from the ADF (ie, ongoing physical and mental health). I am really looking forward to the INVICTUS GAMES!

    McFear....please, please, please check in with one of the suicide support groups. Even if you are only thinking about considering it.....you need to establish a trusted support line so that if things turn bad suddenly you will reach for a phone and not something fatal. You also get a big hooray :clap for being Mcfearless about being up front about it. If you could give a shite to look for it, i posted some time ago about how the entrenched taboo about even saying "suicide" is a big inhibitor to effective mental health support.
    As usual, the regular inmates have provided some great advice.

    I have not suffered from anxiety, PTSD etc. Lucky for me I only have to kick the dog occasionally. However, it seems that the similarity is to find your triggers, or clues as to mood swing etc so you can take steps to lessen the effects. This might be as simple as telling friends and family that "today is going to be a tough day" This is where your councillors and psych medicos can help.

    Regarding vitamins.....there is a strong link between vitamin b12 and Depression. There are now dieticians that specialise in this. Vitamin b12 comes in 3 types and each has a different effect on the brain so you need a specialist to get the right ones (and they come from a pharmacy by script).
    Also, if you are using Nexium (for gastro reflux) and have depression, may need to talk to your doctor as recent reseach shows that it can deplete vitamin b12.

    All the best to you all
  17. hunter_greyghost

    hunter_greyghost XS650 Allroads Traveller

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    From what I've seen of photos posted - probably a wise choice - would have used the Western Distributer off Clyde Mountain - twitching around on wet dirt, not good,
    pissed off with missing out on catching up with old faces there though, Crampy & Nev etc - Trout coming up first weekend of November
    Got heaps done around here - funny how you don't mind hurting if you achieve something, bit like sport - 'no pain / no gain'
    Post photos later
    Cheers
    Baza[/QUOTE]
  18. LOFTYBOB

    LOFTYBOB Burning up 98 Octane

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    G'day Inmates,

    If it wasn't for bad luck, I would have no luck at all lately. Just got a call from my sister in Sydney, and my Mum is critical with pancreatic cancer about to have surgery whilst I am awaiting my surgery.

    Life sucks, make the most of everything you have whilst you have it everyone.

    Regards Lofty
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  19. GelandeRoadie

    GelandeRoadie Been here awhile

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    Oh dear (plus a few other expletives!)... sorry to hear that. Good advice by the way, hope you can string a few smiles together over something. Hang in there.
  20. Oldfatbeerman

    Oldfatbeerman Enroute to a PUB

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    Bob , Hope your luck changes for the better soon . Head up mate .