Why I am ditching my TENT when moto-camping

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  1. dredman

    dredman Dirty Moto-Tourist

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    Good points, and I have used my hammock mostly for warmer weather, and supplementing with a ground pad when cooler. Since I am ditching the tent, I had to get the convection issue solved with some confidence since I will now be using it year-round. I ordered a new ground pad and my first underquilt and have been testing them all week. This week it will be in the low 20s, and I should have my answer - results and that film next Sunday!

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  2. Yinzer Moto

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    Is the bottom of your hammock waterproof?
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  3. Motor7

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    Nope, but my inflatable mattress is, throw that down first, then pitch hammock and rain fly over it. It will work on those rare occasions where there are zero trees.
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  4. Motor7

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    I have some tips......I found that if I blow the inflatable all the way up it's too rigid and is messes with my off centerline sleeping comfort. It also flipped my hammock on one of the first nights I was using it and I woke up upside down hanging in the bug net like a giant moth. For summer I don't inflate at all, for cold nights I only add 50% to it and everything is comfortable, warm and stable. I also picked up one of those Costso down blanket/throws. Packs to the size of a softball and is great down around the feet(mine hang off the pad...36" inseam) for those really cold nights.
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    dredman Dirty Moto-Tourist

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    I thought about deflating, but cannot imagine anything close to 50% ?? I "believe" your heaviest points are gonna make contact with hammock surface, thus convection happens. From the past I remember shoulders & butt bearing the brunt of the frost. What kind of temps have you camped @50% ? So far, I have done 37' with just an underquilt and it was nice - More testing with the artic blast coming this week, so I might have low 20s ---- BRRRRRR !!
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  6. Amphib

    Amphib A mind is like a parachute....

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    I'll be leaving for a week long trip next week. I plan on camping the whole way using my hammock. It's a bit of an experimental trip with the cold, so I plan on trying out a few things (I'm intentionally overpacking).

    Not sure I'll do a ride report yet, but will post up my experiences.
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    dredman Dirty Moto-Tourist

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    I look forward to the info!
    I am doing LOTS of testing, as I really like to put faith in my gear and find it's outer limits - I already KNOW mine :)
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    Amphib A mind is like a parachute....

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    This is why I love this place.... The ever expanding knowledge base.

    The well thought out reports, reviews, experiences... debates, all of our differences, variables, it's so much better than googling reviews online.
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  9. dredman

    dredman Dirty Moto-Tourist

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    It is really hard to beat the base of knowledge available here. I find so much info and inspiration here it is hard not to be sucked into a black hole of consumption (it has happened before). Trying to PRODUCE more knowledge and discussion than I consume nowadays. I still have a lot of questions about how and why. :-)
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    Coldest so far are only high 20's, low 30's and that's as cold as I want to go. The mat is down filled, so a 50% air sill still works insulation-wise. It will take some experimenting for sure.
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    dredman Dirty Moto-Tourist

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    Ahh, insulated pad - share your brand? How long have you been using it? What have you tried that failed? I like to learn the easy way - from other's mistakes :)
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    Can someone post a picture of a down 20 degree top quilt & under quilt packed down for loading on the bike, with something for size reference? I have been using synthetic UQ/TQ and they pack down terribly. So I am looking at the hammock gear stuff and really am interested in the pack down size.
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    dredman Dirty Moto-Tourist

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    I have ZERO experience or knowledge of top quilts, but my new inflatable ground pad packs tiny? I am testing the new underquilt by itself this week (video this weekend) in below zero weather. I imagine anything filled with down is gonna be tough, and short-life when compressing constantly. Is down even a thing anymore? I don't know anyone motocamping in down?
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    Um yea, down is still a thing. If you want light, packable, and warm. And as far as packing down, umm down, to load on the bike, it still is the answer IMO. You just throw it in a mesh bag or such when storing at home to keep things good, works for my down bags and according to the manufacturers. Synthetics do not pack down very well.

    Without a quality UQ/TQ you are
    going to freeze in a hammock. If it’s below 70 at night, I’m using an UQ or a pad with an R rating. BTW, using a sleeping pad in a hammock sucks unless you have a way to keep it in place.

    I’m not trying to hijack your thread btw. I think a good UQ/TQ is a must for hammock camping in cool-cold weather, and because I ride a little bike using an R40, packability is a big deal. My experience is it can take more room then my tent setup trying to pack a hammock for anything in cool temps, and my current TQ/UQ is part of that problem. I love my hammock though, and want to upgrade my UQ/TQ and tarp... and this is the most relevant thread right now.
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    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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    I have a few different quilts. No pics of them compressed, but I can squeeze them in my hands smaller than volleyball size without much effort.

    There's a roll of paper towel next to me that a quilt could mimic the size of that pretty easily.

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    What are they rated for? I need football size essentially and hoping a 20 degree UQ will go to that size easily.
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  17. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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    My best quilt (underquilt) is a Leighlo 20° 76"x 42". Can't really judge football size, but I'm sure it'll be smaller.

    Actually I'll go stuff it in a sack and take some measurements for ya. Standby.

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  18. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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    Can't tell by the phone camera angle, but the 76x42 quilt stuffed to about 8x6.

    That said, i would never stuff it this tight. I'm never that tight for space anyway, and I feel as I'm doing harm to the piece of equipment/gear.

    It's actually harder to pack too. Left loose inside a larger sack and you can push/stuff it around other articles. If that makes sense.

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    Thanks Maggot! It makes absolute sense, as that is typically what I do in the R40 with my tent when I carry it.
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    dredman Dirty Moto-Tourist

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    Hey man, as long as we are not talking about 'lack of trees' being an issue, I am good. Not new to hammocks, but new to underquilts and cold weather - THIS WEEK! I am hoping to be good at it in a month, and maybe an expert in a couple of years?
    I will say that so far I am impressed at what an underquilt with a 32° bag in 37° works. Last time I tried that low in a hammock I had some hypothermia - this time it was toasty?

    I am also here to learn.
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