Wisconsin OHM/DS Motorcyclists - Trail and Legislative Issues

Discussion in 'Central – From Da Nort Woods to the Plane States' started by Cannonshot, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. Ry-on-2

    Ry-on-2 Adventurer Supporter

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    Thanks,! I will check it out!
  2. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Administrator Super Moderator

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    I mentioned we are trying to get expanded trail access for DS bikes in Iron Country. Coincidentally, they are running a survey right now where motorized recreation is under-represented - perhaps because the word isn't getting out. Might be good for motorized to represemnt on this survey. We want to let them know that we want expanded opportunities for dual sport and adventure motorcycling that involved the existing ATV trail system.


    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/IronCountyORP
  3. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Administrator Super Moderator

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    Been doing some work on the club start-ups for Eagle River and Iron County. Looks like both are off to a good start. Both asked about the potential for hosting some kind of event. Iron County would draw from NW WI and NE MN. Eagle River probably would host something using existing tracks in the area. Interesting to see what comes of all this.

    The reason we need these clubs is that we need local representation on the ground to handle local issues. These are also the groups that can go after single track trail projects once we get our sticker program legislation through. It takes local groups to get these local projects. Small steps today, big results later on.

    If you are interested in joining one of these clubs, let me know and I will get you in contact with them. Spread the word to any friends that might be interested in joining as well.
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  4. Ry-on-2

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    Thank you so much for all the effort and work you put into this. I filled out the survey for Iron County dual sport motorcycle trail access.
  5. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Administrator Super Moderator

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    Council meeting today. Long and somewhat "animated" meeting. We awarded a little over $3M in grants against close to $5M in requests. This primarily focuses on ATV trails. We did vote some money to rehab the motocross track at Dyracuse though. Some people are happy and some aren't.
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    Ajacks "Not in the face"

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  7. Cannonshot

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    Oh my . . . how things change.

    Got a message from Vilas County. They want to adopt my Vilas County dual sport tracks into their county mapping system to share them on-line, etc.

    Five years ago, no one would have believed this could ever happen.
  8. Doctor Zed

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    Great news!
  9. Bultaco206

    Bultaco206 Back-to-back motos suck Super Moderator Supporter

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    Very! That's awesome.
  10. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Administrator Super Moderator

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    Working with the DNR to develop a list of potential opportunities for OHM on state trails, parks, and forests. I just finished putting together a list of more potential opportunities for them. Some opportunities involve adding OHM access to trails ATVs already use, some involve repurposing mountain bike and horse trails for motorcycle use from time-to-time, and some involve developing new properties and trails. I noted that we should try to get some land adjacent to N/S Kettle Moraine for motorized use. I also emphasized that we need to get a single track trail and trials practice area in the NHAL SF near Eagle River. I sent a map along of an area with good soils, terrain, and no neighbors to bother. Better that they have a visible list that keeps our needs in mind. Apart from all this, still working opportunities. That is part of the reason why it has been so important to get clubs up and running in the Eagle River and Boulder Junction area. Local people can be a big influence on some of this stuff.
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  11. Lutz

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    Outstanding!
  12. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Administrator Super Moderator

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    Many of you will recall that we have been trying to get a single track motorcycle trail at the newly developing Sauk Prairie Recreation Area. This is the old Badger Munitions Plant near Baraboo and Sauk City.

    Through a lot of effort, we were able to get our motorized interests represented in the first proposal for the land. Despite the DNR recognizing that our recreational interest is underserved in the southern part of the state, we were essentially shouted down by those against motorized recreation. The potential inclusion of motorized recreation drew the most comments by the public and the majority of those were against it.

    Unrelated to what I was working on with Sauk Prairie, I looked for other ways to increase our riding opportunities – even in places where we might not get a permanent trail. In support of this, I did two case studies. One was on an event in MN where horse trails are repurposed for off-highway motorcycle riding a couple of times a year. The other involved federal land where dual sports are allowed to ride mountain bike and hiking trails for an event once a year. I presented this to the DNR and the State Trails Council (of which I am a member). The Council recommended that the DNR adopt temporary repurposing to allow more opportunities for user groups to enjoy their recreational interest. The DNR adopted the proposal. The law requires that we need to add the intended repurposed uses in the property Master Plan before we can do it.

    Going back to Sauk Prairie, due to public objections permanent motorized trails were eliminated from the proposed Master Plan. However, the DNR recognizes that off-highway motorcyclists are underserved AND DESPITE PUBLIC OBJECTION they still included the opportunity for us to use horse and mountain bike trails for motorcycle riding for up to six days per year at Sauk Prairie.

    Someone’s first reaction might be to see this negatively. The fact is, we were out of the plan COMPLETELY and after “considerable deliberations” the DNR put the motorcycle repurposing proposal into the proposed plan. This is a big win for us. We need to show significant support for this proposal so we get the provision into the Master Plan for this property. In the future we will be trying to add it to other Master Plans as well. We need to respond in force to make sure we get this one. We already know that the anti-motorized will try to defeat it. WE NEED TO WIN THIS FOR THE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN DEVELOP ELSEWHERE IN ADDITION TO SAUK PRAIRIE.

    Don’t worry about whether or not the riding experience on horse and bike trails at Sauk Prairie will be good or not. We don’t know since we haven’t seen the trails. We just need to make sure the concept gets adopted for the property.

    The proposal is that we can ride the horse and bike trails up to six days per year. This could be two 3-day weekend events or three two-day events. Much better than nothing at all and we need to win on principle.

    WE NEED TO GET OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROPOSAL! SPREAD THE WORD!

    The public comment period is open from August 11th through September 25th.

    This can be done on-line.

    Here are some notes of important points to cover with each of the submissions: PLEASE USE YOUR OWN WORDS!

    PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET (print and mail version)http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/lands/masterplanning/SaukPrairie/documents/SPRACommentForm.pdf

    Question 1. The following recreation activities should be added: Dedicated off-highway motorcycle trail. Trials motorcycle practice area.

    Question 2. There should be more opportunities for these activities: Off-highway motorcycle riding and trials motorcycle riding.

    Question 3. Other comments. There are at least a dozen other parks in this area where people can already enjoy nearly all of the recreational activities proposed for this property. None of those parks offer the opportunity for the very underserved recreational interests of off-highway and trials motorcycling. If facilities can’t be dedicated for exclusive off-highway motorcycle riding, then as a minimum we must be given the opportunity to repurpose other trails so that we at least get some opportunity to ride.

    Question 9. I see no significant adverse environmental effects from the proposal for off-highway motorcycling.

    Question 10. Off-highway motorcycling is being left out again while we continue to add the “standard” recreational opportunities to this property that are already available in many other properties in the area. Instead of allowing motorized recreation to be “shouted down” by a few loud voices, it is much fairer to look at overall statewide needs and balance the opportunities offered to better align with those needs.

    Question 11. Somewhat too much emphasis on conservation.

    Question 12. The plan is defective in that it does not account for the fact that many of the opportunities being included are already provided nearby to this property. A dedicated opportunity for motorized recreation, which is NOT available on the nearby properties, was discarded for the wrong reasons.

    Question 14. Yes.

    Question 15. Dual Sport Motorcycle Riding

    Question 17. It is important to develop opportunities for dual sport motorcycling as soon as possible since this interest is underserved regionally.

    Question 18. Final thoughts. Describe how important it is to you to have more opportunities to ride your off-highway motorcycle in this region and how this former industrial property provides the perfect opportunity to offer such an experience. Mention how unfair it is for those that have the preponderance of opportunities on other area properties to selfishly and unfairly shout down the motorized users. Sharing the commons is important and opportunities should align with the interests of all user groups, not just those who want it all for themselves.

    MASTER PLAN FEEDBACK http://22.selectsurvey.net/DNR/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=llK066l1 (on-line submission - use comments from above)

    1. There should be more recreation opportunities.

    2. There should be more opportunities for some activities.

    3. There should be a dedicated trail for off-highway motorcycle riding. In lieu of this, there should be ample opportunities to repurpose other trails to allow off-highway motorcyclists the opportunity to enjoy their recreational interest.
    10. Permanent riding trails should have been provided for off-highway motorcyclists. Since permanent opportunities were not provided, ample repurposing of other trails must be allowed to give off-highway motorcyclists at least some opportunity to ride.

    11. Somewhat too much emphasis on conservation.

    12. Does not adequately address the needs of the underserved off-highway motorcyclists in the region.

    14. Yes.

    15. dual sport motorcycle riding

    17. It is important to develop opportunities for dual sport motorcycling as soon as possible since this interest is underserved regionally.

    18. Final thoughts. Describe how important it is to you to have more opportunities to ride your off-highway motorcycle in this region and how this former industrial property provides the perfect opportunity to offer such an experience. Mention how unfair it is for those that have the preponderance of opportunities on other area properties to selfishly and unfairly shout down the motorized users. Sharing the commons is important and opportunities should align with the interests of all user groups, not just those who want it all for themselves.

    On Thursday, September 10th, there will be a public hearing in Prairie du Sac regarding this proposal. As in the past, I will be there to represent our interests on this matter.

    It would be helpful for some others to attend to show support for our interests. MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS ON-LINE AS DESCRIBED ABOVE.

    For those that might want to attend, this is the set-up. Please connect with me by e-mail if you plan to attend or look me up on-site. I’ll wear some article of motorcycle clothing to make it easier to connect on-site.

    Thursday, September 10
    River Arts Center 105 Ninth Street
    Prairie du Sac, WI
    Public Open House: 4:00 - 5:00 p.m.
    DNR presentation: 5:00 p.m.
    Public Hearing: 5:15 - 8:00 p.m.

    Feel free to e-mail me with your questions.

    As I mentioned earlier, it is critically important that we get repurposing in this Master Plan. Please get your comments in right away and spread the word for others to do the same. We need to show some significant numbers.
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  13. madwrench

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    I put your post/email on the Madison Motorcycle Club website, linked it on the club Facebook page, and will email it out to the club list.

    As always, thanks for all you do, Bryan!
  14. vwboomer

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    I passed this on to MAOHV club pres as well. Hopefully he will send it out to all our members
  15. InTheMuck

    InTheMuck So it goes...

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    Comments submitted and sharing with others...thanks Cannon!
  16. Zaboo65

    Zaboo65 Been here awhile

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    Thanks Cannon. Comments also submitted! It would be fantastic to have a place to ride so close. I just got back from riding some of your NWAT and it sucks there is nothing remotely similar anywhere close to Madison.
  17. Cannonshot

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    Clearly, we need to move Madison closer to the NWAT. :D
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  18. Cannonshot

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    Chatted with someone from Vilas Forestry and Parks about our interests and experiences with the trails, paths, and county forests there along with a lot of access issues in general. He had some questions he wanted to go over. Told him I would stop in and chat some more next time I was up there. He had contacted me earlier wanting to discuss things and we didn't connect until today. Also chatted about the importance of the local clubs we are putting together in the area and that someone from the DS club needs to be on the county hosted trails council there. Positive conversation. Got a lot of points across to share perspective as to what is going on in some other counties and statewide. Answered a few questions about the Central ADV Rally as well.
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  19. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Administrator Super Moderator

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    We need to work at getting as many supportive comments as we can submitted right away. The first link I gave is for a print and mail. The second link is for an on-line submission. Only takes a couple of minutes. Please pass the word and get people to follow through.
  20. elron

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    DONE DOED IT
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