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Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by VTbeemer, Apr 7, 2017.
i would love to hear your thoughts on comparing the T7 to your 690.
Ok, here is my comparison:
690 and T7 there is little to compare, different breeds, different applications:
high maintenance, unpredictable, not sure I could trust it on a long trip, like a hot chick
Riping roaring on demand
Vibrations in the bars enough to shake the paint off and your arms off
can have a short lifespan....I thought my 2014 was a "reliable year"
I sold a low milage ~ 6k
rocker arms are a maintenance item, 9000 miles
valve checks every 6k
spent more time wrenching than riding
Laborious oil changes
Don't get me wrong, that 690 was one fired up Bi*&ch !
Was it a great time? YES ! Would I do it again? Debatable.
24k valve checks
easy oil changes @ 6k or rather less
The motor ! It just sounds 5x more reliable
smooth, relaxed, just don't tip it / wash out the front !
Can take it anywhere - in the woods this a.m. I saw 4-5 deer and possibly a small black bear? (Sasquach?)
Racks, Givi aluminum, crash bars, BD spots, able for large trips loaded down
Light compared to GS or AT
Not a dual sport, or single track specialty, but you can sure try.
Overall, very pleased, it's a keeper for sure.
Finally, I wanted a bike I would not have to worry about,
wrench less and ride more, and this is it!
Shit... almost like comparing my XC-F to my DR.
Just go around the gates
What kind of luggage are you guys running on those ?racks ?
I'd like to see the next few seconds...
Outback. They fit correctly.
24" wide ?
No drama . . . Crappy Video of a video . . .
I think that's from the video of Pol Tarres on the T7, so you can google that and see the whole video. That's from that vid isn't it mcmann?
I think the T7 is growing on him .
I'll check when back at the shop.
Sold my 790 Adv R and snagged this yamajama. pic from the initial break in ride. Two yamahas in the garage now.
You're one of the few who can comment first hand on the differences between the two. Please enlighten us who are on the fence!
I haven't spent enough time on the T7 to really get in to the details, but I have done one street ride, and one dirt. Enough to have a good first impression on the Yamaha, and I put about 4k miles on the 790.
Still not sure how to compare the two. I have owned 30+ motorcycles including several new austrian bikes in the last few years.
I have not taken a bike to a shop for service since the last time I had to have a crank rebuilt in the late '80s. I do my own maintenance and keep things in pretty decent shape.
Maybe I'll put it like this.
When I had the 790 for sale I was secretly hoping none of my friends would want to buy it. Because I didn't want my misery to become their misery.
In the first 6 months I owned the 790 I had over $3k in warranty and recall work done. Which highlighted how crappy my local dealer is (will never set foot in that place again), and also how crappy the QC is at KTM, and how horrendous the customer service is at KTM North America. I myself will not pay hard earned money to be treated like that.
Cracked fuel tank, battery failure, countershaft seal and of course the rear brake recall,
But performance wise, the 790 performs very well. It is a great mid sized adv bike albeit with a very high level of complexity, rider aids, etc. most of which are meaningless to me. The traction control is pretty neat, and requires pushing buttons all the time to be in the right "slip" setting. But a tractable motor, ala T7, with a rider with decent throttle control works very well too.
Basically every strength that the pumpkin has the T7 has a counter for. What the KTM can't counter is simplicity, reliable engineering and production setup.
KTM still can't even build a suspension clicker that works like its supposed to. I know, I have paid a good bit of money over the years trying to fix their suspension. The 790 suspension is pretty decent right out of the box, which is a good thing, cuz the clicks still have very little to no effect! But the 790 suspension is matched in feel by the yamaha with a few clicker adjustments. Was blown away with how much you can feel 3 clicks on the kayaba stuff! 3 clicks on WP and you can barely feel any difference, and its not different where is should be!
They are both good bikes from a riders point of view, kinda like 2 flavors of ice cream, hard to say one is bad. Ownership experience is where I think the biggest difference lies. I really hoped that KTM could keep itself out of the shop, because my local ktm shop is the worst motorcycle dealership I have been in. I feel like the yamaha will keep itself out of the shop but time will tell on that.
So do you have a really good KTM dealer close by? or even worse, think you can find one on a long trip?
I did have some fun on it though!
I guess I should add, if anyone has specific questions, post em up!
And as I get a bit more time on the T7, I’ll post more details.
This video dropped today. Not grrrrrreat but it's a comparison of the 790 and the T7 by a larger statured US-based rider with a fair amount of large ADV bike experience. Interestingly he notes the Yamaha suspension is only a little worse than the 790's suspension. You have to try to pause it to read some of the comment cards that pop up in between segments.
Managed to sneak in a relatively short ride today. Haven't been able to ride, as I've been helping my wife recover from some shoulder/bicep surgery. Got to remind myself how much I love this time of year in the area I live in and also rekindled some appreciation for it as well.
I think it would basically be a 90s Dakar/Rally Raid bike then. Which has me thinking how it would compare to the xtz850 (Yamaha's 90s Dakar entry) which was 180kg dry. The XTZ850 did have 300mm of suspension travel though, so that would need to be amended on the T700
It is interesting seeing all the videos of people tackling single track. The riders and bike seem to do exceptionally well considering the weight and bulk, despite Yamaha intending it to be an Adventure bike, which in my mind the off road portion covers terrain more similar to that which you'd expect to find in a rally raid, pretty much like the Dakar. Vast open spaces, sand rocks, gravel and average speeds of 90-130kh. That's the type of riding I prefer, and would want to set the bike up for. In fact not too dissimilar from touring South America, especially up on the Altiplano.