Yamaha WR250R Mega Thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Sock Monkey, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. Border411

    Border411 Been here awhile

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  3. WileyRTW

    WileyRTW Wiley

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    Bike hasn't been run for a few months, and wont start. The gas was awful, chunks of crud....how do I clean the fuel system out? I have spark, but threw in a new plug anyway, and I had a spare fuel pump so replaced that and hear it come on when I turn the key on. I can disconnect the fuel line from the tank to the rail thing on the injector, but what else should I be doing, that is just 1 small hose. The damper thing on the fuel pump assembly was pretty bad looking, and I did not inspect any hoses inside the IMS tank. I figure I should take off the injector and clean that somehow?

    Also has a new battery since I was prepping to take off in a few weeks. It cranks, but wont start, so I do not think it is electrical.

    Thanks
  4. Drzzr1

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    Drain and clean the tanks, replace or clean the lines and try fresh fuel. If that doesn’t work you’ll have to clean and or replace the injectors
  5. woofer2609

    woofer2609 Less flow, more Gnar

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    You can clean your injector, I believe. What with the number of problems with regulators as of late, that might be worth checking out as well.
  6. WileyRTW

    WileyRTW Wiley

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    Great thank you both.

    For hoses I will clean the IMS hoses, but figure the problem would be from the pump out. The hose on the pump cage is new, I will try and clean off the damper thingy, any other hoses in particular, aside the main hose? Should I use new gas, water, some kind of solvent? Thanks.

    I think the injector sounds like something to check out due to it being after the pump, so will look into how to clean that.

    This method looks great, any experts here know a reason not to clean the injector like this? Could I run the diagnostic so it opens 5 times ad start blasting, or should I just short it like he does?
  7. Yinzer Moto

    Yinzer Moto Sloppy 300 rider Supporter

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    The filter on the bottom of the pump should keep all the crud out of the fuel system. I would drain what I could out of the tank and put a bit of fresh gas in, see if that solves the issue before taking more apart.
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  8. WileyRTW

    WileyRTW Wiley

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    Yeah I haven't paid attention to how long it sat, and tried starting it with the old gas. When it didn't start, knowing it was old gas I drained the tank, saw all the crud, and replaced the filter for good measure. I will give everything a good cleaning after I give cleaning the injector a try. I have the air filter out until I get it running, and have tried WOT as well, to no avail.

    I am pretty new to diagnosing problems....if it starts briefly with starter fluid that would not rule out an electrical problem since I am just bypassing everything correct? Still going to focus on if it is getting fuel, but will need to watch some videos on how to test wires.

    A few months ago I had rode it with too much oil in the bike. I was in Baja and wanted to make sure I got back. It started stalling around the border, keeping the engine revved would keep it running. When I got home I found the oil had worked its way into the air box. It was drained and cleaned, and while not recommended it doesn't seem to be a terrible thing to do but an FYI in case its related. The bike then sat because I lost some bolts to the clutch holder and rather than go to home depot I ignored it. So new battery, fuel pump, disconnected all electrical accessories, bike runs for a few seconds with starter fluid, so running out of ideas.

    I could be over analyzing, but there may be a small thumping of air from the exhaust when trying to start, like a bass drum. Valves were adjusted months ago, maybe even 2 years ago....do not think it is related.
  9. BMW-K

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    FWIW, the Yamaha injectors I tested sprayed in a "Y" pattern, not an actual clouded mist. Kind of a misted Y.

    In my case it did turn out to be the fuel pressure regulator. Getting to that point I'd shotgunned the plug, injector and fuel pump as well as flushed the fuel twice.

    The test that led me to the pressure regulator was spraying a bit of Starter Fluid into the airbag. Bike started instantly and ran on the starter fluid. So the logical chase was the bike not getting enough fuel to the injectors in the end. That was either the pump or something. Thankfully someone on the board suggested the regulator and that was the answer.

    Good luck!
  10. Yinzer Moto

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    I don’t remember if it was mentioned, toss a spark plug in it. This bike can be sensitive to that.
  11. WileyRTW

    WileyRTW Wiley

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    I did not mention, but I did put a new one in when I tested for spark. Appreciate it
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  12. AUstate

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    Hey Wiley, just saw your post. Along with checking out your fuel pump, the screen and the fuel pressure regulator, I would for sure take out your injector and clean it as well.

    The injector is very easy to remove and clean, and at first I would just try and spray out the tiny little screen on the injector before trying to cycle it like the video.
    Here is a small write up from when i removed my injector after my regulator failed and must of sent small particles to the injector screen clogging it. After just blowing it off with brake clean, it has been running perfect now.

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    "I also would maybe reccomend people to take out the injector and check the screen. I think alot of people would be surpised what they see, and may gain some extra power or a slight bog may just go away.
    Also I flushed the "Rail" as well with a little break cleaner, not much I dont know whats inside that pulse dampener on the end. Didnt want to make IT mad. But more of that reddish colored stuff came out of the metal rail.


    Not sure what that is, rust, dirt... I did ride that bike in Oklahoma once. That Red Oklahoma soil is powerful stuff...


    Removing the injector is very simple. Remove tank, next step is to super clean everything around the injector. Get it spotless, then take off the fuel injector eletrical plug connection and clean some more.
    Blow everything dry, and the injector rail/housing is 2 really tight phillips screws hoilding it to the throttle body. Be careful with those. Once screws are out, (a stick magnet is handy there) lift straight off the injector.

    The rail will either come off the injector or the injector will come out of the throttle body. On the bottom of the Injector is 1 rubber gasket/seal. On top is the same type, followed by a small oring on the top tip.

    Gently take off all rubber before using brake cleaner. Dont mess with bottom of the injector. And dont put any tool inside the top screen. Be gentle."
  13. JNS Engineering

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    Limited quantity now available for discounted pre-order on the JNS Engineering website. I expect to start shipping mid December. :beer

  14. AUstate

    AUstate Been here awhile

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    Very cool, I might have missed if you posted info earlier, I really want to upgrade my light situation,is this quite a substantial upgrade over stock? Any comparison pics?

    Love the simplicity, Im really interested, but also thinking about finding 2 aux lights to add somewhere as well
  15. WileyRTW

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    Ok, thanks guys. So I ran the injector diagnostic and could hear it click 5 times, I filled a tube with carb cleaner but when it clicks nothing sprays out at all... I assume I should replace the injector, and have most likely found the issue, or does it not spray during the diagnostic?

    If this seems to be the problem, anyone have a part number?
  16. Border411

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    Did you do that with pressure on the "upstream" side of the injector? If not....there wasnt any force to MAKE it spray out, so that would be a false test.
  17. Yinzer Moto

    Yinzer Moto Sloppy 300 rider Supporter

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    When you replaced the fuel pump, did you replace the fuel pressure regulator?
  18. WileyRTW

    WileyRTW Wiley

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    Just gravity/ and pressure from the ...the spray can same setup as guy in vid, but spraying into the rail. Do I need to use an external battery with wires straight to injector... I was hoping that's what happened in the diagnostic.

    Only the pump. Is that the damper thing...I will investigate not sure what/where this is
  19. Yinzer Moto

    Yinzer Moto Sloppy 300 rider Supporter

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    It is on the top of the fuel pump housing.

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  20. WileyRTW

    WileyRTW Wiley

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    Ah yes that thing was what I was calling damper thingy based on other internet noobs...thank you. I should replace that based on looks alone.

    I believe I'm getting fuel from the tank to the rail as I unplugged the hose and cycled the pump, which resulted in gas coming out. I have spark, and air box is empty, so I feel like it's that injector.
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