Yamaha WR250R Threadfest

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by gjcarving, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Hodakaguy

    Hodakaguy NorthWest Adventure Rider

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    Yep it can be a fun bike, with enough money thrown at it (true for all bikes :d). Everyone's version of adventure varies as does the taste in bikes etc. I tend to stick to mostly faster paced off road with minimal pavement between dirt sections so comfort on the street is not a huge concern, although with the tall 5th gear miles of hwy riding is a non issue - especially if you balance the tires :deal. As far as the sub frame goes I've never had a issue with mine in thousands of miles of hard loaded off road travel between 3 different 530's. , and the whole mega maint thing is really over blown in my opinion. Everyone always brings up the extended valve maint on the WRR as a plus...it's really a very minor issue. My KTM is shim under bucket and goes 100's of hrs without moving, and/if they need adjustment it's a quick and easy process. If your 100% without any mechanical abilities I guess that could be a plus. I've had to do some mods/upgrades to my 530 as well, just the price of riding a higher performance machine but the mods are pretty easy and once sorted they are very reliable.

    My friend had a ton of mods on his WRR...he wanted me to ride it once to hear a funny sound he was hearing, after I got back from a quick spin I was really amazed that he goes as fast as he does when following us. The suspension was absolutely horrible, I called it the mush-o-matic suspension after that :rofl. The bike also felt top heavy to me and heavy on the steering. You could bring the suspension up to specs but your still stuck with the same heavy steering etc. He had always complained that we would run off and leave him in the rough stuff (large rocks etc) and that he and the bike was getting beat up. After riding it I understood why. We swapped bikes for 20 min or so a few days after that and that was the end of his WRR :lol3

    I'm not trying to say the KTM's are the only way to go either...just want to point out that there are other choices that may work out better for the OP depending on what type of riding he has in mind. The 690 is more like the WRR in my opinion than the 530, 500's, it's heavier and shows its bulk on the trail. Can you do everything that a KTM etc will do with a WRR....Yep, just have to be willing to live with the trade offs to do it.

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  2. ntm1973

    ntm1973 Been here awhile

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    I recently picked up a wr on closeout after riding a klx250s and a dr650 for the past few years. If money isn't an issue and I was trailering my bike to the riding area (or lived close to good trails,) then I would pick a ktm 350 exc-f or something else orange. They really are better dirt bikes.

    That said, the wr really is a great bike if you don't mind having to rev the engine and can live with the weight. I think the guys who regret buying a wr250r are more performance oriented and coming off "real" racing dirt bikes or people who like the low down torque of other thumpers.

    I can't believe how smooth the wr is on the road for a 250. I ride at more of a exploring the woods pace than race pace so having a full on race bike is unneccassary for me. Plus, I have to ride an hour or more to some of my favorite riding areas so the wr suits me perfectly.

    OP, it comes down to your expectations.
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  3. Mr.Black999

    Mr.Black999 Been here awhile

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    I'm not sure why the orange brigade comes out of the wood work in every WRR thread but it seems to have happened again. I haven't owned a KTM and haven't ever ridden with anybody who had one but I do like them and respect them for what they are, but has anyone here actually looked in the service manual at the check and replacement intervals on the parts? Personally It doesn't matter if this guy or that guy has gone forever and not replaced a piston or rings, if you exceed KTM's recommendations for the service life of the parts then you are working with borrowed time. I mean sure you could skip your every 30 hr valve check on your KTM but why would you, it's not like engine parts are cheap to replace if something is out of spec and you end up having a failure.

    Everything is built with a goal in mind KTM's goal was to create a powerful light bike, they did that by having lighter parts that need replacement more often.

    Yamaha went for more robust parts that don't need to be replaced more often but weigh more than the KTM parts.

    To put it in perspective with the KTM going by KTM's recomendation's on parts check and replacement during the 42000km that you would be riding the WRR before the first valve check you would have replaced or checked

    Valves checked 12 times possible adjustment
    3 to 4 pistons and rings
    3 to 4 valves, springs and seats
    3 to 4 connecting rods, connecting rod bearing, and crank pin
    3 to 4 timing chains

    This is just some of the list of things that the manual tells you to do, to me that sounds like a race bike not a dual sport. And if you really can't stand the pace that a WRR can travel at then you are going very vast indeed or traveling through gnarly stuff that is going to be stressing your bikes parts.

    So in the end we have diffent tools for different roles, don't try to fool yourself into thinking that a KTM will be like the WRR as the miles pile up or if you want carry lots of stuff or even people.
    And I think one thing that we can all agree on is that the KTM is the much better weapon for traveling quickly in the dirt.:norton
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  4. what broke now

    what broke now Petroleum Brother

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    Get one of each; neither is a swiss army knife. Buy used to keep the cost down. You can get a reliable 200 -300 exc from the 2001-2004 era and put 1k into it and be ready to go for a total of `3k. Add a used creampuff wr for about 4k or less and you are still at 7k. You need a hitch carrier if you cant plate the smoker, but who cares? You're still in for the price of a new ktm or the yamaha!
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  5. Mr.Black999

    Mr.Black999 Been here awhile

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    Yep this man makes sense, no need to buy a nice new shiny bike just to go beat it up in the woods.:deal
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  6. GlennR

    GlennR Chasin' my tail

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    It happens because the Japanese haven't offered us anything better than the WRR250. Why haven't the Big Four given us a 350, 450, ect. to compare to a KTM? Don't get mad at the "orange riders" for pointing out the obvious.

    I had a WR450f that was plated and I really enjoyed it, but it wasn't made to be a dual-sport. It only had a 5-speed and only got 30 mpg. I recently sold it.

    Now, I'm shopping again.....and what are my choices? I don't really like the idea of a 300 lb 250cc bike. I don't like the hassle plating a dirt bike, and I shouldn't have to.

    I really like Japanese bikes, but I just don't see them offering what I want these days.
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  7. Mr.Black999

    Mr.Black999 Been here awhile

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    The KTM is no dual sport, it is an excellent bike but shouldn't be put up against the WRR if you mission is an all purpose bike. Also I don't see how 40 lbs is make or break, the WRR is a bitch to pull out of a mud hole and a 260 lb KTM is going to be a bitch to drag out of a mud hole. I ride with my friend who has a CRF250R that is even lighter than the KTM and guess what, his bike is a bitch to get unstuck aswell.

    So people can either buy race bikes or dual sports, there is no magical do everything bike, you want longer service intervals and more carrying capacity as well as more wattage for your electrical stuff and so one then you gain weight.
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  8. matt33

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    The KTM 690 Enduro is KTM's true dual sport bike. It is not a high strung race bike. The 690 has a a maintenance schedule very similar to the WR250R (other than 6,600 mile vs. 25,000 mile valve checks).

    Having owned both, the only glaring differences between the WRR and 690 are the price ($6,700ish vs. $10,200ish) and the 690's incredible horsepower advantage. MPG's are actually pretty similar; I get an average of 57-63 MPG with my 690, I got about 60-65 MPG on my WRR's.
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  9. Mr.Black999

    Mr.Black999 Been here awhile

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    Yes the 2014 KTM 690 looks sweet, ABS is a major plus and as you say the power difference is quite significant without being high strung.
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  10. Geolander

    Geolander Scruffy Nerf Herder

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    I had an '08. I found it heavy and under powered. Uninspiring, mild, maybe even boring. Felt like I was on an XR250 with cheap inverted forks. I didn't like having no kick start option, I didn't like that I had to buy a computer to tune the EFI, I thought the plastics were ugly, the tank was to small, lots of smog control b.s. they cut a lot of corners to meet a price point and it showed in overall fit/finish.

    Sold it last spring for $4,500 three days later bought a titled and plated CRF450X and I've never looked back.

    The only thing I think about enviously now that I'm on the 450X is the sixth gear.
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  11. Foot dragger

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    Down on power means it just barely gets out of it's own way taking off, and would struggle to pull a full size rider uphill with a load of camping gear,or would need the guts revved out of it to pull in a stiff headwind.
    Every 250 4 stroke Ive ridden is pretty much that way,lots of revs to do most anything. Not everybody wants to rev bikes all the time.
    An MX 250 weighs about 219 lbs these days while a street legal dual sport 250 weighs around 300. Where do they find all the weight?
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  12. Foot dragger

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    KTM lists those maintenance schedules for a bike that is raced flat out in race conditions,not many dual purpose riders ride like that.
    Thats why they last much longer then some people think.

    But yes its comparing apples to oranges,a WRR is a great bike for someone not in a hurry or not wanting a high tech dirtbike.
    Great beginner bike.

    If a rider has spent a lot of time on good handling fast dirtbikes any japanese dualpurpose bike is a huge let down.
    Its why there a jillion farkles on the market to fix cheaper dualsport bikes and people seem to love to buy em.
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  13. Bama67

    Bama67 Cooler in real life

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    Different strokes, different folks.

    I for one, want a KTM Enduro 690r like crazy, but 11k, that is just crazy for a dual sport single. Simply too much money, to ME, for something that I could dump on a rocky slope in a matter of minutes.

    I have a 2009 KLX250, and yes, it is a dog like the WR250r, but it does what I need to do, but it is compromise. I would love about another 10 hp, but otherwise keep the bike exactly like it is.


    Just depends on what you want, like Geolander, I had a plated CRF450x, but I didn't really care for mine. Too high strung, tall, not durable enough for continuous road use with titanium valves and thimble full of oil.
    Whatever fits your needs.


    All that said, it boggles my mind why no one in Japan builds a modern 450 dual sport, particularly why Yammy will not do a WR450R. Maybe next year will be the year.
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  14. Huskyfatman

    Huskyfatman Stinky Wizzleteats

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    Because the OP asked for possible negative feedback from former owners, and as usual, current owners get all defensive. Fans of the lower performance/lower maintenance model bikes like the WRR, DRZ, XT, KLR/X etc., like to attack performance oriented bikes for their higher maintenance requirements, like it MUST be the #1 priority when choosing a "dual sport." They get all sensitive when their bike's inferiorities are discussed.

    The majority of folks I know ride for fun and enjoyment. Those who ride for the thrill of it, and have some mechanical know how are OK with working on our bikes a bit more. If your ride a bike for transportation, or are more street oriented, I can see where 26k mile valve adjustments might be fun for you and a priority. You still have to replace tires, grips, chains, sprockets, and clutches just like us high maintenance folk.

    FWIW, I currently ride an old KDX200 on the trails and a two valve Guzzi Griso on the street, neither of which are high tech or high maintenance.

    I was looking at a clean used WRR at my local dealer for my GF, the power and suspension looks like a match for her KTM 250rfs, but the extra 50lbs. is a deal breaker since she can barely pick up the KTM and I maintain the bikes.:deal
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  15. rhollamby

    rhollamby Been here awhile

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    How much pavement do you ride though? Use it to commute? I find those who don't like the wr and compare to plated dirt bikes don't ride many pavement miles.... So just consider that. Now I know pavement isn't what we want to ride but I commute on mine, then use mine to get to different regions to off road. So if I need to ride 1,000 miles pavement to ride a week off road, no issue with the we. most bikes compared to the wr you'd be working on maintenance intervals all the time.
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  16. Hodakaguy

    Hodakaguy NorthWest Adventure Rider

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    Well Said :freaky

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  17. ntm1973

    ntm1973 Been here awhile

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    +1

    also,

    I think a lot people don't understand that the US dual sport market is small at best. It seems like a big deal to us because we are absorbed in it but the reality is that it is a very small percentage of the amount of bikes sold in the US. 250cc bikes are on the large size of bikes sold in many other countries but Americans don't think that is a big enough bike.

    The OP asked if anyone regrets buying a wrr. I don't own any KTM's or Husky's but have ridden a few. The orange brigade is right in advising that you WILL regret buy a wrr if you expect it to perform like a race bike with a plate. On the other hand, if you don't mind hitting single track at a slower pace and want to occasionally load up the bike for a long trip, it is tough to beat the wrr.
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  18. oldenuf

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    I owned a 2009 for a year. I don't think they have changed much if any. I rode it bone stock. In my opinion it works well stock, and it never gave me any problems. The WRR has many Yamaha items applied to this engine, some unique to it. EXPU exhaust valve, and a vacuum valve on the intake as well, and then it's fuel injected and has a "cat" in the exhaust, and air injection in the exhaust. I never expected it to be anything above a "250". Sure it makes peak power close to the XR650L and the DRZ, but away from that peak power it's a "250". If you get along with a machine with a narrow power-band the WRR is great. I sold it not because it was to small, but because of the complexity, of FI and other things applied to this engine. Most now days are looking for this new technology. Many will say Yamaha applied all or most of these systems to meet EPA and I'm sure that may be the case but I think Yamaha also knew how to make their engine run well through the whole rpm range.

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  19. 66T

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    Well. This business about comparing the KTM 690 et al to a 250 trail bike is getting boring. If you want a big bike, buy one. But don't compare a 250 with it.

    In any case, a lot of the issue involves the rider. But anyone who buys a 250 trallie hoping it to be a long distance adventure wonder is dreaming. So why expect so much from so little? It's not that it won't do it; it will. With patience.

    Neither are WR-Rs enduro bikes. Nor are their rebuild schedules.

    Frankly, for most of us, full-on enduro bikes of any capacity are far better bikes out of the box than we can ride. Luckily for the aftermarket world, most egos don't recognise this and so heaps of dollars get spent.

    And, again luckily for aftermarket companies, lots of people get caught by marketing hype and buy the wrong bike, thus blowing heaps of dollars to compensate.

    So, no, I don't regret buying my WR-R, and it needs no defence against any other bike, as for me, with the mods I have made to it to suit my purpose, it can hold its head up high.

    Sure, it's not perfect, but nor, I understand, is a KTM690. Nor are the CRFs and derivatives, or anything else. All imo, of course.
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  20. theMISSIONARY

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    :thumb yep its the best long lasting best performing for its ability to last 250 out there

    some faster.....but more maintenance normally the ones that handle better and lighter

    and then there are the ones that supposedly last longer....gutless fat pigs that dont handle

    so yep its the best "all round" 250:deal
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