I actually like them, but they don't have a model that fits my needs right now. The Livewire would have been a perfect money saving commuter for me, as my company would let me charge it every day for free. I rode one of the prototypes and loved it. The price made it not feasible for me. The Bronx looks like a great sport naked for those in the market for something like a Yamaha FZ1. The Pan America appeals to me, even though I am thinking about moving from 400+ lb adv bike to a 300 lbs dual sport. I could see myself buying one as I get older, and building a sidecar rig out of it. Again, though, I can't justify spending a significant amount of my nest egg on a toy. I'd need to wait and get one used for $10K or less. I rode my friend's Street Glide, and thought it was like a 1960s Cadillac coupe. Smooth, big, and classy. There's no way I could slide the back wheel around in my garage to go back down the hill though.