I've never run into this myself. But in my opinion any dipshit that says "get a real bike" is simply a non-motorcyclist and is insecure about his/her identity to the point they rely on the bike/image to identify themselves more than just be who they really are. As to Harley surviving, I hope so. Never owned a Harley (even though I am their prime demographic). I may own one someday, like a XR1200, which itself shows I don't fit the typical HD demographic. HD has made some untimely moves lately. The Livewire is a great electric bike, but $30K for an off beat Harley would never/will never revive their sales. Funny though, every news/market reference to HDs current state tells a story that the Livewire was supposed to save Harley? Obviously the persons reporting that have no real knowledge of the motorcycle market or Harley in general. The HD Panamerica adventure bike, the Bronx, and some other models came out to a failing market slaughtered by COVID. Perhaps a better world market could show those bikes as good moves by Harley. Harley has shown in the past they can engineer a "new" Harley. Worse still, Harley is marketing a Chinese built 350: https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/photos-reveal-chinese-harley-davidson-hd350/ intended for the Asian markets (doubtful it'll arrive on US shores). However, the entire world is up in arms due to the origin of COVID19 being Chinese. I for one, now consider the country of origin a major purchasing factor, which rules out anything made in China. Seems that for the last ten years HD has been consistently missing the mark to new growth. Meanwhile, even in a very down world market, BMW and other makers are well down but surviving; https://www.motorcyclesdata.com/2020/06/02/bmw-motorrad/ Hopefully, the final shake down of HD will reveal a smaller sustainable company more eager to finally show they can, and will, produce and sell bikes that are not only just the typical Harley, at prices that can get more riders, new riders, to join the market.