I'm not denying the wanna-be, outlaw scene is not part of the *cruiser* culture...... yes, all American style, authentic or clone, v-twin cruisers have sections of their respective ownership groups that embrace that image, not just HD owners, I'm just saying don't put the HD bikes and all HD owners down because of it. Separate the two. One poster here can't do that. Thinks you gotta be stupid to own such a POS as HD when hey...look at his marvelous bike that does everything perfectly and is the envy of all enlightened, skilled riders. Silly? Yes, but that's about the petulant gist of the argument: Mine's better than yours! lol... In the end, it's all good fun and part of that fun is dressing the part. Just ask Kawazukiondaaha sport bike owners who ride with one piece track suits sliders attached, on public roads. Does that mean for example that all in line four RR bikes are P'sOS because all they are is track focused, and their owners are troglodytes for acting like idiots on public roads, racing around with open race cans? How about the adventure riders all geared up to tackle the Kalahari dessert in order to go for a Sunday ride to the local coffee shop with nary a spec of dirt on their nobbies. Idiots? Morons? Jokes? Posers? I'm sure there are thousands of people who look at these types of riders and say they will never own a "crotch rocket" or a "dessert sled" because they perceive those types of riders with the same disdain aimed at HD riders/bikes. It's a shame, and it goes round and round. It's not just about HD outlaw types. Point your finger, throw a stone?...better to look at yourself. There is an element within all ownership groups who give the rest a "bad name". And that's not the bike's fault, no matter the bike.