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You guys think Harley Davidson will last?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by tessalino, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. liberpolly

    liberpolly Lazy rider

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    - It *is* an exclusive club, for sure.

    - Not everyone can afford the cost of annual service

    -Maybe a Honda would be a better first real motorcycle after owning a Harley
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  2. ZoomerP

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    I don't find much in common between those ads and the douchebag festival presented by the HD-NYC ad. As tone deaf as it is, I'm surprised HD hasn't made them take it down. It's just bad, start to finish.
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  3. BetterLateThanNever

    BetterLateThanNever It turns out you can't delete your account...

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    Ducatis are pretty common, and annual services were no more money than for any bike I’ve owned. Maybe motorcycles aren’t for you?
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  4. Sal Pairadice

    Sal Pairadice Captain Obvious

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    This - is not the point. You stated that since jeep survived, Harley would too. They are very different. For all its faults, Harley is a real company, unique, on its own and struggling to survive. Jeep is not. Jeep was a company name from about 1963-1970. Maybe through the 70's if you count AMC-Jeep. It has been the name of models of other companies. And before that it was just slang.

    Your statement may not have been meant to be serious or accurate. So if I took you too literally, my bad. But on its face it was not a good comparison.
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  5. sluagh

    sluagh not fade away

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    I think the sloppy seconds ad is a bit worse than the HD-NYC ad myself.
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  6. ZoomerP

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    They've more in common than the others, for sure. And ... another winner from Team HD.
  7. st3ryder

    st3ryder Long timer

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    Really? you didn't find any of those commercials sexist and tone deaf or espousing tough guy images? Even the one where the tough guy HD rider walks into a house....then into the bedroom as the cuckold husband scrambles into the closet and trembles while Mr HD man has his way with his wife? How about when the scooter rider pulls up beside the tough cruiser rider and his sexy GF reving his engine and then proceeds to steal Mr Tough Guy Hole Shot's girl? Nothing in common? :scratch How about the blind guy who won the lottery and of all things, he buys a Captain America chopper bike and then is trailered home with Born to be Wild blaring in the back ground? Nothing in common with douchbags on HDs using their tough guy image to get girls?
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    Did I say "any"? Nope. I watched all of them, but forgive me for not breaking every one down for comparison with the HD-NYC ad. Most of those ads were based on self-deprecating humor, the joy of riding, or some goofiness associated with the quirks motorcycles or their riders.

    We cross-posted about the HD cuckold one - it's worth noting that it's just more reinforcement of the HD douchebag image, IMO. Sex sells, but the full-on crassness of that HD-NYC ad is ridiculous, again IMO. If that's the image HD wants to promote, I believe they're just further marginalizing themselves to their own detriment.

    But let's back up a bit. Since you're so keen on defending it, do you find the HD-NYC ad to be funny? Is it an accurate portrayal of the life of an HD owner? In your eyes, what redeeming qualities does it have? What about it would make someone decide to buy any motorcycle, and why?

    Also, consider why this thread exists, and what ads like those are doing to help or harm HD's future.
  9. Big John Sny

    Big John Sny Long timer

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    I actually have parts I designed in Fiats, Jeeps, Chryslers, and Masseratis/Ferrari. they all are marked differently. They actually treat Jeep differently than the rest of Chrysler and my parts have to be marked accordingly based on which or which combination of divisions use them. Of course, there is a lot of components and platforms that get used across different subsidiaries, but this is no different than many of our VW parts getting used in Skodas. Similarly the ford 2.3L four cylinder is the same as the Mazda and designed by Mazda while the six cylinder in the Mazda six is the same as the ford v6 and designed by ford (There is some weird partial ownership thing between ford and Mazda) . When I was in Gothenburg working on a advanced engine project a couple years ago with Volvo, they were still operating as a totally separate entity than Geely.

    I understand that Harley is currently independent. I just want to understand how Fiat owning Jeep as a subsidiary is any different than VW owning Ducati as a subsidiary or Piaggio owning Aprila and Guzzi as subsidiaries.

    The whole, what company is what, situation is actually pretty complex and seems to be getting more so. Just wondering what the Peugeot /Fiat merger is going to do to the industry.
    I could actually see a path where an small scooter company or a car or truck manufacturer buying Harley be an interesting method of adding diversity from a business standpoint without diluting either brand. Diversity seems to be the biggest issue I see for Harley as a brand.
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    Big John Sny Long timer

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  11. BetterLateThanNever

    BetterLateThanNever It turns out you can't delete your account...

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    Harley riders don't consider themselves to be thin skinned any more than Ducati owners do. Something to think about... as you furiously pound out posts to defend your little bike.
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  12. Beemeup

    Beemeup 1978 R100/7

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    That sounded a bit thin skinned.
  13. BetterLateThanNever

    BetterLateThanNever It turns out you can't delete your account...

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    Owning neither a Harley nor a Ducati (anymore), I don't think so. Bitchy, maybe. But that's a personality trait, not a function of the bikes I ride ;)

    (And PS, Diavels are surprisingly small in the flesh, so that wasn't as pejorative as it sounded)
  14. BobcatSig

    BobcatSig They call me... Huckajawea

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    I think the correct term is, "Harley bashing." I hear that frequently. Because, you know, one can't have a conversation about a marque lest it called bashing.

    wut. Have you seen a Diavel?

    Next to the Multistrada Enduro, it's Ducati's physically largest bike.
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    BetterLateThanNever It turns out you can't delete your account...

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    And ridden one. To me, for a power cruiser, it was smaller than the press photos made it look. Just didn't have the presence looking down on it that a low camera angle imparts. Entirely subjective, and certainly not worth YET ANOTHER argument on this dumpster fire of a thread. If it looks big to you, by all means, go with god.
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    luftkoph Long timer Super Supporter

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    Whoa slower down there son,I try to make my KLR look good but it just doesn’t seem to work for me
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    BetterLateThanNever It turns out you can't delete your account...

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    Or are you just being ironic. Because KLR guys are hella ironic.
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    :D
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    Nice photo, It reminds of the well-dressed mods of the 60s. I've always loved that look. It's a shame Harley's image became so cartoonish. That photo shows It could have been so much more dignified.
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  20. luftkoph

    luftkoph Long timer Super Supporter

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    No not at all,I try to keep it clean after it’s gotten muddy, and I would never put a milk crate on the back, and now that there’s aftermarket plastics available I might replace all the faded oem.

    I really don’t have a dog in this hunt, but I would presume HD will carry on for quite a bit longer,I would hope so for the employees sake. The chance of me buying one is slim,for a number of reasons,one is I hold a grudge and HD cost me thousands of dollars when they shuttered Buell.
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